Who carrys a firearm with them while camping?

[freak4life]

Man can we keep the politics out this, the US and Canada are 2 vastly different countries. Firearms law in Canada is largely driven by eastern urban dwellers who have never handled any type pf firearm. They have a very misguided opinion thanks a "progressive" press, anti-gun groups and politicians banning guns will stop massacre's and gang violence. (over 90% of firearms issues in Canada by the way). The numbers are incredibly low, 695 in 2018 for the entire country from all causes including suicide. And not one homicide committed by a legal gun owner.

@Autism Family Travels the 3 round limit is for ducking hunting and shotguns, nothing else. And just to clarify a hi-capacity magazine is generally considered anything over 20 rounds, at least from rifle point of view And so you are aware the Canadian Firearms law is so convoluted and contradictory pretty much only firearms' owners understand it and only as it pertains them, as failing to the follow the law can lead to significant jailtime and loss of property.

A perfect example

Centerfire semi-auto rifles are restricted to 5 rounds the Garand was exempted and allowed a full enbloc of 8
Semi auto shotguns are restricted to 5 rounds are common, including magazine fed
Pump shotguns are not limited 5 to 11 rounds are common. (tube and mag fed)
Centerfire bolt action guns are also not restricted you can put a 20 round magazine in your Mauser or Enfield if you so wish
Rim fire .22 cal semi-auto have no magazine restrictions 100 rounds if you want

And one more my shotgun has a 14 inch barrel from the factory perfectly legal
If I change from an 18in factory barrel to a 14 inch or even 12 inch factory barrel also legal
If I cut an 18 barrel to 14 inches it is a prohibited device which can get me 14 years in prison

For the US readers owning a firearm for self defense from people is not legal in Canada, except for police. They have been used for that purpose but the legal bills are staggering, and it has to be very clear cut to avoid prison and even then you may not. Of course gang members do not care about the law.

So please lets keep this on topic, if you prefer not to use firearms that is fine. I however prefer to have my shotgun with me, I have never needed to discharge it but there have been a couple of bear encounter's that could have gone bad. The shotgun gave me an option.

Well spoken, the anti gun lefty, Autism started with it’s holier than thou attitude, when that happens most people naturally respond in kind, if there is a way to block someone here I have not found it and would gladly block it. I will endeavor to just ignore it instead.
Have a nice day/evening.

 

[freak4life]

hey Canadiens, can you help me and answer if Ruger PC Pistol Caliber Carbine 9-mm is allowed in Canada?

Thanks

Firearms | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Transporting Firearms in Alaska, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

Information on hunting and trapping in Alaska.

www.adfg.alaska.gov

Traveling Abroad With Firearms

Each year, hundreds of U.S. citizens face arrest in other countries because they are carrying firearms or ammunition, much of which they could legally possess in the United States.

travel.state.gov

In short, long guns ok, no AR’s, pistols no, with very few exceptions. You must have the proper forms filled out, sign them in front of the border agents and declare them, otherwise bad news.

 

[freak4life]

One time I was in New Orleans....a vagrant was very aggressively asking me for money, I refused....
He was a bit bigger than me and he says "what I just took it off you?"...
..."well, can you run?" I asked. He says "Sure, and faster than you".
..."can you run 1500 ft/sec?" I asked... took him a few minutes before he got it. "You have a nice day, sir"

true story.

Look up the 21’ rule, unless you are ultra fast you have no chance with someone within 21’ of you. Try it with a friend and see just how true it is.
:). be aware is the best first rule.

 

[phlfly]

Something like this as took fee pictures in local store.

There is any official government contact place to ask them if I can bring this as travel thru Labrador and NF , camping in wild . Thanks

 

[Mr.RoadWarrior]

Look up the 21’ rule, unless you are ultra fast you have no chance with someone within 21’ of you. Try it with a friend and see just how true it is.
:). be aware is the best first rule.

very true, a knife inside that range is quicker, no doubt.

But that only means you'll take the first hit. Being prepared for that and repeatedly training to fire from retention evens the odds a little.

 

[Mikey316]

I am from South Africa we carry firearms all the time. Especially if you go to desserted areas when camping so yes i believe carrying a firearm with the intend to hunt while camping or self defence from the wild or human threats is totaly your choice

 

[Wile_Coyote]

Well said VI Overlander. The gun vs anti gun debate gun debate will go on forever. To each their own, if you carry, that is your choice and if you don't that is also your choice.

The difference is;
The guy with the pellet gun will run to the guy with a real gun and expect that person to protect him from the bear or deadly threat.
This expectation comes from a misguided thought that it's somebody else's responsibility to protect them from deadly force, because they don't have the backbone nor sufficiency to protect themselves or their loved ones.

I've actually heard a pacifist call into a talk show about how he would "move the threat" out of the way, as that threat is putting a beat-down on his wife and kids.
Idiots

 

[phlfly]

The difference is;
The guy with the pellet gun will run to the guy with a real gun and expect that person to protect him from the bear or deadly threat.
This expectation comes from a misguided thought that it's somebody else's responsibility to protect them from deadly force, because they don't have the backbone nor sufficiency to protect themselves or their loved ones.

I've actually heard a pacifist call into a talk show about how he would "move the threat" out of the way, as that threat is putting a beat-down on his wife and kids.
Idiots

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didn't want got politics but unfortunately this is liberal idea of "nice people", "defend police" are all about taking liberty freedom. I grew upon USSR and I know how government and people can evil and kill you for the crazy idea or wallet.

 

[grubworm]

Man can we keep the politics out this, the US and Canada are 2 vastly different countries.

exactly! i get my whiskey and maple syrup from canada and i dont need anyone messing that up.
(canadians can keep their beer, though)

 

[rgallant]

@grubworm that is ok we feel the same about your beer

 

[phlfly]

their hockey player is one the best in world. Well there are so many really great players, even Russia does not produce as many, NHL caliber.

 

[PBDNavigate]

I always do but of you are worried about bears bear spray has been documented to be more effective. Less legal issues also.

 

[rgallant]

Actually @PBDNavigate yes and no on bear spray, turns out it only really works on bluff charges much less so on charges that are actual aggression. It has to do with the nature of the charges and how bear physically reacts, the bulk of charges, over 95% I believe, are bluff charges. In a bluff charge the bear wants to scare you off, there is a lot of snorting and grunting/growling for lack of a better word along with short charges. In those cases everything is wide open and the spray can be very effective. That other 5% or less are aggressive charges, and even a 12 gauge slug is no guarantee that you will stop the bear, in those case bear spray tends to not be effective. And several of the studies were found to be badly flawed.

Me I prefer not to have to kill a bear, but at the end of the day I am going home. To that end I have one 12 gauge hard rubber ball shot followed by 4 bear slugs. I still carry Bear spray because in national and provincial parks in Canada no firearms are allowed so bear spray is my only choice.

To be honest being aware of your surroundings is the best defense. My problem is I tend to be quiet, too many years creeping around the woods in military green so both of my black bear encounters were mutual surprise. They both ended peacefully enough, although I did have a nice swim away from a sow and 2 cubs into a lake.

 

[Trad77]

I usually have my pistol on me and another tucked away in the Jeep when Im out exploring and camping. It is always fun to stop and shoot every once in a while. If I am in bear country I use my bear spray. I dont trust my firearm would stop a bear however, its been proven over and over than bear spray works great. And yeah, the people who have used it on bears are still here to tell us that they used it on bears... think about it. haha.

 

[freak4life]

Actually @PBDNavigate yes and no on bear spray, turns out it only really works on bluff charges much less so on charges that are actual aggression. It has to do with the nature of the charges and how bear physically reacts, the bulk of charges, over 95% I believe, are bluff charges. In a bluff charge the bear wants to scare you off, there is a lot of snorting and grunting/growling for lack of a better word along with short charges. In those cases everything is wide open and the spray can be very effective. That other 5% or less are aggressive charges, and even a 12 gauge slug is no guarantee that you will stop the bear, in those case bear spray tends to not be effective. And several of the studies were found to be badly flawed.

Me I prefer not to have to kill a bear, but at the end of the day I am going home. To that end I have one 12 gauge hard rubber ball shot followed by 4 bear slugs. I still carry Bear spray because in national and provincial parks in Canada no firearms are allowed so bear spray is my only choice.

To be honest being aware of your surroundings is the best defense. My problem is I tend to be quiet, too many years creeping around the woods in military green so both of my black bear encounters were mutual surprise. They both ended peacefully enough, although I did have a nice swim away from a sow and 2 cubs into a lake.

Questions since I have never had that experience, small jingle bells attaached to the poack, to let them know something is there and I have been told a loud whistle works as well as the spray. Also is a “bear” slug any different than a typical 12ga. slug?

 

[rgallant]

@freak4life well idea of the bells is to let the bear know you are coming, it is based on the fact most bears want nothing to do with people. The same with air horns and whistles, my bet is they work well on "curious" bears or bears that are just the on the trail. I have chased black bears off my deck by banging on the glass door, there was 1 exception but he was going to clear out the bird feeder no matter what. That took police and bear spray to sort out. Turns out I could have used my bear spray but the law was vague thanks to low life's using it to commit crimes, a quick check with constable afterwards and I keep a can in the kitchen now.

As to bear slugs they tend to be harder and run out at higher velocities, bears have big bones and lot of mass so you need penetration. But you can go crazy researching the best ammo.

As to the effectiveness of bear spray over firearms this sums it up pretty well Utah Is for Adventurous Women This one is good because it is very level

 

[phlfly]

Ok that's all great conversation . Any idea about trash keeping in camp site overnight? So food can be store in fridge or cooler it's all good, but trash. We are got creative with the food so smell of meat package is definitely brings bear to attention. So most of us has the trash bag on rear over the wheel or hanging something . Anyone has good idea if there is a war proof barrel that fit into trash bag ?

 

[trikebubble]

Man can we keep the politics out this, the US and Canada are 2 vastly different countries. Firearms law in Canada is largely driven by eastern urban dwellers who have never handled any type pf firearm. They have a very misguided opinion thanks a "progressive" press, anti-gun groups and politicians banning guns will stop massacre's and gang violence. (over 90% of firearms issues in Canada by the way). The numbers are incredibly low, 695 in 2018 for the entire country from all causes including suicide. And not one homicide committed by a legal gun owner.

@Autism Family Travels the 3 round limit is for ducking hunting and shotguns, nothing else. And just to clarify a hi-capacity magazine is generally considered anything over 20 rounds, at least from rifle point of view And so you are aware the Canadian Firearms law is so convoluted and contradictory pretty much only firearms' owners understand it and only as it pertains them, as failing to the follow the law can lead to significant jailtime and loss of property.

A perfect example

Centerfire semi-auto rifles are restricted to 5 rounds the Garand was exempted and allowed a full enbloc of 8
Semi auto shotguns are restricted to 5 rounds are common, including magazine fed
Pump shotguns are not limited 5 to 11 rounds are common. (tube and mag fed)
Centerfire bolt action guns are also not restricted you can put a 20 round magazine in your Mauser or Enfield if you so wish
Rim fire .22 cal semi-auto have no magazine restrictions 100 rounds if you want

And one more my shotgun has a 14 inch barrel from the factory perfectly legal
If I change from an 18in factory barrel to a 14 inch or even 12 inch factory barrel also legal
If I cut an 18 barrel to 14 inches it is a prohibited device which can get me 14 years in prison

For the US readers owning a firearm for self defense from people is not legal in Canada, except for police. They have been used for that purpose but the legal bills are staggering, and it has to be very clear cut to avoid prison and even then you may not. Of course gang members do not care about the law.

So please lets keep this on topic, if you prefer not to use firearms that is fine. I however prefer to have my shotgun with me, I have never needed to discharge it but there have been a couple of bear encounter's that could have gone bad. The shotgun gave me an option.

Thanks for your sensible commentary, it is not lost on everyone. I can say that this comment "if you prefer not to use firearms that is fine. I however prefer to have my shotgun with me, I have never needed to discharge it but there have been a couple of bear encounter's that could have gone bad. The shotgun gave me an option.", pretty much sums up my personal opinions as a legal and law-abiding Canadian gun owner.

 

[PCO6]

phlfly - This might be of some use.

 

[rgallant]

I treat trash like food sort of.

In side my Trasharoo I have a heavy duty trash bag, and garbage that goes into that, goes in to plastic grocery bags 1st.

If I can have a fire I create a small side section and burn everything possible including cans, glass does not. Then once things cool a bit I heap coals on top for the night. In the morning I move it out of the fire and let it cool so I can bag it up.
Glass gets boiling water a couple of times and into the garbage bag.

At night I walk the take the big plastic bag, tied closed a couple of hundred meters away and hang it from a tree. I have also put it in a lake and creek when there no trees, water will not hurt the Trasharoo. I have an old diesel infused rag, thanks to traveling with LR Defenders, I hang over the opening of the garbage bag as kind of scent block, it may do nothing but I figure it can not hurt.

Of course I am in the Pacific Northwest so things are a bit easier that way