Overlanding with "stock" 4X4

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Well I guess that is indeed personally, Because Ive wheeled my 6 plus 1 in lifted 37in tire supercharged LC80 with locals in UTAH that are on no lift 33s and maybe a rear locker. And they keep up fine if not totally. Using a super duty and calling it overlanding or offroading makes no sense to me. they are pickup trucks, work trucks. Not a jeep or SUV or the like. And are the number 1 vehicle I video tape moab motorsports pulling off the trails after damaging the trail and almost always missing an entire wheel, TRE shock assembly. Ill post a video on jailbreak Overlander this afternoon maybe of a jeep COMPASS making it out of hells revenge, and yes I stopped and walked him ALL the way out with zero lift, street tires and no damage
SOOO...overlanding in a truck is silly?? Don't tell the Taco guys that! LOL! Why does it make no sense to use a truck or a heavy/super duty truck instead of a Jeep or SUV? I guess all us truck guys are just out here playing and not doing real overlanding. I would imagine that if you were to look closely at why those vehicles are broke and being pulled off the trail has more to do with the owner then the vehicle. Just my opinion and two bits. I mean no ill will or anything. We should all be out here to have fun, learn, and enjoy nature. We should try to get along at the same time also i reckon. :-)
 

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have no problems with guys running stock gear. just have a problem wit all the mis-information about lifted/modified trucks...
No misinformation intended. I've run many modified 4x4s.

Generally it is a never ending process.... for the first few years anyway.
If you stay with the same 4x4 for a decade eventually you get it right. Honestly that exploration is why I did it. But for the first few years, for the average wheeler on any forum he does it piecemeal. And normally does it backwards, doing the mods for looks before doing the mods to handle that eye candy.

Simple mods sure. A 2" loft and 33s add stress but likely nothing beyond the stresses the manufacturer planned on. But add up all the bigger mods before addressing simple things like driveline and most of us made that sweet, reliable, capable 4x4 into a lemon.

The negative of modifying a 4x4 is most everyone does it backwards. Photos of "I just put a 4" lift and 35s on my previously box stock Wrangler with 3.25 axles"..... you know he's heading for a pile of hurt. And on this forum..... we aren't talking mall crawlers..... guys here I hope want to get past the city limits.
 
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What are the realities of overlanding in a stock 4X4?
Best choice ever if we are talking a capable 4x4.
Define capable?

A VW Syncro is a fabulous little RV. But easy to overload. Stock. keep it within the manufacturers intended use. Maintain it. Very capable.

F150, same thing. Incredibly well designed to what Ford intended. GVWR, ground clearance, close to stock tire, it'll work well.

F250, much more capable. Solid axles, higher payload capacity, better ground clearance. Another well engineered 4x4 capable of more and near bulletproof stock.

And then everything else from an Outback.... incredible AWD. To an EarthRoamer. There is always something stock that will do what you want. The choice is always, should I lift a Samuri and put it on 32s? or buy a stock Wrangler. Is my talent and budget geared to buy a Square Body K30 and put it on 37s with a 4"lift.... or should I just buy that FGB 71.

Fact is if your budget is under $50K there will be a completely stock 4x4 to do what you want. If you are buying a Tacoma to fit in with the Tacoma crowd........... you will likely modify it but not necessarily make it more capable or reliable. Most of the mods done are driven by the internet, marketing and peer pressure. And that applies to everyone, not picking on Tacomas, Wranglers are even worse..... I've owned Wranglers since '87, Before that they were called CJs, my first 4x4 was my first "car" out of high school, an M38. Back then almost no one modified a 4x4 unless they were going racing.

A few guys like the challenge to "engineer" a better vehicle. But they don't do that shopping on the internet. And they don't ask the question on internet forums, "What mod should I do?" lol They do it because they have a vision and fuck you if you don't like it.

There is likely a stock 4x4, budget aside, which might keep up with them. But if you are addicted to "engineering" it better, you could care less. Come campfire time, the guys doing their own thing rule. The guys driving EarthRoamers are bystanders.

If your goal is to explore, yeah stock is the best, most economical way to go. You modify 4x4s for a different reason.
 
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You can totally do overlanding in a stock vehicle (2wd, FWD, AWD or 4x4)
The only thing you need to know & respect is your vehicle limitations and your own driving skills.

The only thing I've ever done to any vehicle I've owned is a tire upgrade. (68 Jeep pick up 2wd, 1970 F100 2wd. 1972 Blazer K1000 4x4, 1984 Toy SR5 4x4, 1995 GMC 1500 4x4, 1996 CK2500 4x4 (Diesel), 2002 4Runner LTD (all only got tires and maybe a bed cap)

My current Jeep KL Trailhawk is the ONLY 4x4 vehicle that I am upgrading some.
 

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where i live i don't see too many mall crawlers, (but not saying there not out there...) most 4x4's around here get used for there intended purposes. what we do see a lot of though is what we call "puddle jumpers". guys like the fellow i ran into at the gas station the other day, who find a 3" deep puddle, blast thru it 20 times and churn it up and get there trucks coated in mud, then leave it on for a week and drive around like there some kind of hardcore off-roader...
Hahathats what I call a red-neck car wash lol
No offense to anyone
 
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wow
if it takes a decade to get a 4x4 "right"....maybe it's time to take up a new hobby...like basket weaving or sumthin'...:smirk:
your pretty obviously stock only- that's cool, but as i stated, and stand by my statement, lots of mis-info on modded/lifted trucks. if you ever took a truck like mine out for a spin, i guarentee it would shatter some of your beliefs, maybe not change your mind, but show you what a properly modded/lifted truck is capable of and what can be a pia when DAILY DRIVEN as well as trail use.

"I just put a 4" lift and 35s on my previously box stock Wrangler with 3.25 axles"..

this is what i've said a bajillion times, trying to overbuild a less stout vehicle is either A "a headache" or B "geez, didn't know it would cost this much"
pick the right rig for the mods you want to do, lack of research/knowledge and well thought out plan of attack will lead to a pile of hurt
I ran into this a lot when I used to autocross. It was the thing I loved about the beginner classes because as long as it passed inspection and you had a helmet, you were golden.

But once guys wanted to get more competitive, vehicle choice as a foundation was more important.
 
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Nothing wrong with stock, my old R50 pathfinder traveled a lot of off road miles with pretty much a 1 inch lift and nothing else, other than Toyota rims. About day 3 of 7 day trip through south western BC. That truck just kept going, but at 300,00Km (60 thousand by me) the suspension was shot again, brakes were done, it was slowly becoming a money pit. The wife said go buy a new "toy" so I ended with a LR Discovery 2. Jeeps, Land Cruiser and most Toyota are just stupid expensive here.

 

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If you talk about overlanding as very long distances crossing many different countries, taking many months if not years, it is a different ball game than camping wild, most likely 30-50 miles maximum from a gas station or supermarket, with the ability to run a fridge and maybe have a shower, tackle a few off road trails a bit more difficult than your average dirt road. .. which is most people do.
Those who do the first version successfully do much better with almost bone stock vehicles except some armor . You can do this in almost any vehicle, from bicycles or a vintage 30 year old small city car like the first gen corolla..
A 4x4, even a stock one it gives you the possibility to maybe reach some more remote and beautiful places. Reliability in this case, and finding parts easy is much more important than the ability to do very difficult 4x4 tracks with ease. Ok so you have to chose the lines more carefully and scratch the armored bottom from time to time.. I prefer to do that than wait for 2 week delivery of a 35 inch tyre in some remote city in Africa or Asia...
The only thing i did for my Hilux in preparations for the planned trips to Africa and Asia 9 (now postponed due to COVID ) is an engine skid plate and some rocksliders. Thats it.
 
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@leeloo I suspect that is an issue of location, the 30-50 mile thing. In the picture above I was about 200km from the nearest town, with another 150-175 to go, which left me with around 100km buffer. I am regularly that far from the nearest town. But even here in BC it can be an issue, if you have a highly customized or unusual 4x4 and you break something in a remote town, you could be 5 to 10 days before the part arrives.
 
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Now that your fully outfitted with your 4 star hotel on wheels we need to work on that suspension . After adding you 1500-2000lbs of overlanding “essentials I’m sure that suspension is bouncing off the bump stops hitting a penny on the road .
So on your front suspension you want to make sure to put in so much lift that you have a good inch maybe 1 1/2 inches of down travel left in your suspension and that you keep your CV axles always at an angle, Because you wouldn’t want them lasting a long time you need to prove to everyone you’re a true Overlander when you break them driving over a curb. And also gotta get some heavy duty springs to combat that winch bumper and 30 lights hanging off it . Rear suspension is the same formula super heavy springs and you might as well toss on some remote reservoir shocks on there for all that high speed desert running you won’t be doing . Now the absolute best part of your new suspension set up is that when you don’t have your camping gear..... sorry sorry overlanding gear in it it will ride like an absolute brick you will feel every bump and crack in the road. ITS GONNA BE AWSOME !!!! Oh and I also forgot to mention that your wants almost fuel-efficient 4 x 4 will now I’ll probably be down to almost the single digits from struggling with all your extra gear tireoh and I also forgot to mention that your wants almost fuel-efficient 4 x 4 will now probably be down to almost the single digits from struggling with all your extra gear , armor and tires. Now you could combat that with re-gearing your axles, but maybe you have come to the sensible conclusion that your vehicle is just too small to start off with anybody going to be getting bad gas mileage you might as well have a larger more comfortable vehicle with a bigger motor to start out, and then you know what the best part of doing that is you get a start all over again and start over loading this vehicle to with all of your ”essential” overlanding gear .

So to recap on my ridiculously long rant. Throw some camping gear in your rig have basic recovery gear and start off easy just traveling down gravel roads learning your vehicle and knowing what it can and can’t do. Learn and adjust from your trips what things YOU need for YOUR style of travel . What works for one person out in the desert it’s probably gonna be half worthless for someone that travels in the snow and vice versa.
So in other words run what you Have and enjoy yourself , be smart and Most importantly let two people From different households know where you’re planning on going and when you should return.
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@leeloo I suspect that is an issue of location, the 30-50 mile thing. In the picture above I was about 200km from the nearest town, with another 150-175 to go, which left me with around 100km buffer. I am regularly that far from the nearest town. But even here in BC it can be an issue, if you have a highly customized or unusual 4x4 and you break something in a remote town, you could be 5 to 10 days before the part arrives.
In North America, mainly Canada, Alaska maybe there are still a few spots like this, In Europe maybe if you go towards the arctic circle, but in general in US, Europe you are rarely more than a 40 miles off of some kind of civilisation.
 

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How about some discussion, or a YouTube, about overlanding in a stock 4X4? Seems most info is about mod rigs as if to say one can't go overlanding to adventure in a stock vehicle. It seems that the manufacturers of 4X4's wouldn't agree given that they have invested no small amount of effort in R&D and they outfit with suspensions, drives, AT tires (etc) and market specifically claiming that capability. What are the realities of overlanding in a stock 4X4? What are the capabilities and restrictions associated with "stock"? Why do you say that larger tires and lifts are "required"? Does adventure require investments into a modified rig? I'm an old sailor and we had the expression that "paradise looks the same regardless of the size of the cockpit".
Hello William, thanks for you questions about running a stock 4x4. I am one of those that runs stock, driving a 1988 Silverado 3/4 ton, regular cab, 8ft box truck. Well, I guess you could question if it's stock or not because I did put BFG All Terrain KO2's on it, but nothing else has changed. There are actually discussions that have been had which basically boils down to knowing your vehicles limits, and your own, and going that are appropriate for your vehicle and you. I'm almost positive that there are discussions about this on the forums but, I'm sorry, I can't direct you to any specifically. Snoop around on the forums and you'll probably find some. No matter, use that stocker all you want for Overloanding but as Michael, the creator of OB always says, Outfit and Explorer. Simply put, take the gear you need and go out and have a great time.
Hope this helps in some small way.
 

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@leeloo It is hard to explain just how big and empty of most western, northern Canada is. People look at maps but that does not really explain it. It takes about 8 hours to go from Vancouver to Alberta border on the hi-way averaging 100km/hour (785 KM) and there are long empty stretches. Once you hit the town of Hope about 1 hour 30 minutes out of Vancouver there are about a dozen stops the rest of the way and most of them very small under 5000 people. You can do a lot of it off road, it took me just over 4 days, and about 1400KM with less 300 on pavement, I saw less the 10 people in that entire time (off road). Parks bypasses and gas were my only hiway traffic.
 
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