Influencer II
After the loss of our last one.. Wifey is set against another. Real shame for I agree, best of all scenarios!
Influencer II
After the loss of our last one.. Wifey is set against another. Real shame for I agree, best of all scenarios!
Influencer II
My state is a 'Stand your ground' state, as are I believe 28 others. It's those states that are not or Federal Lands.. I looked at the Byrna and liked the HDR50 for velocity and pricing mainly. Both are pretty darn close in performance. Not sure if the build's are the same as the HDR50 (or 68), but liking those as well. Plenty of choices for projectiles! Umarex also has a pretty nice carbine.I have Byrna pistol. I do think it's necessary to have a non-lethal option, since they no longer let you use lethal force to protect your property.  Someone can literally be beating your truck with a baseball bat, and if you're not in it at the time, you can't use lethal force. For self-defense there is no substitute for a firearm. If your circumstances don't allow you to own a gun, I would look at the AR-15 version of a pepper ball gun. They shoot solid kinetic rounds also.
BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS
Byrna Less-Lethal pistols are non lethal self defense weapons powered by compressed air (CO2) and fire chemical and / or kinetic rounds capable of incapacitating a threatening suspect from up to 60ft feet away for up to 45 minutes.byrna.com
Builder III
31666
Honest question, why would you want to?since they no longer let you use lethal force to protect your property. 
Someone can literally be beating your truck with a baseball bat, and if you're not in it at the time, you can't use lethal force.
BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS
Byrna Less-Lethal pistols are non lethal self defense weapons powered by compressed air (CO2) and fire chemical and / or kinetic rounds capable of incapacitating a threatening suspect from up to 60ft feet away for up to 45 minutes.byrna.com
Influencer II
This is not the place for debate and exactly what I did not wish to see start. Please refrain!Honest question, why would you want to?
If there is a very real threat of physical injury or death, lethal force seems justified as a means of defense, and virtually all states seem to agree on that.
But, why would anyone deserve to die because damage was done to an object I've paid for?
How would we legally determine what action warrants lethal intervention?
Is there a $$$ that should be met as a threshold for if it is justified? Would that become the de facto value of a human life?
How do you account for vehicle value? A man bashing in the windshield of a jeep will likely create less financial burden than someone who keys a McLaren.
Builder III
31666
Hey bud!This is not the place for debate and exactly what I did not wish to see start. Please refrain!
Kelly started it!!!!!This is not the place for debate and exactly what I did not wish to see start. Please refrain!
Traveler III
2032
This guy killed this couple and buried them on the beach where they were camping in South Texas. If you are legally able, please consider getting some training and purchasing a firearm.Really hope for some real info here. I hope not to begin a debate if you should carry, yet those that do, can place some advise on what and what they use. What's your every trip carry?
I'll start with I have a baton, a bat, a walking stick (1.5 ash).
I'm seriously considering a Umarex HDR 50.
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Influencer II
That is one of many reports out there. I agree with getting trained, nothing like knowing how if required. I have non-lethal rounds for my .45, yet it's a firearm and illegal in several states and most federal lands.Where as the Umarex (or others like) is legal. With projectiles like 'stinks like hell' to 'hurts like hell' I see it as a good determent.This guy killed this couple and buried them on the beach where they were camping in South Texas. If you are legally able, please consider getting some training and purchasing a firearm.
Influencer II
There is a distance rule that changes from words to action being required. Once that is crossed, is is no other choice. As Kelley is adamant about and I agree, training! I have lethal & non lethal rounds for my .45. My proposed option to replace has the power to hurt and give opportunity for secondary action. What that is depends on the situation a hand and that can very well be distance. You need the options!If you choose a less than lethal weapon that LOOKS like a firearm, expect your adversary may respond with a REAL firearm.
I believe that our best defense is our intelligence. Use words to de-escalate the situation and then create distance, preferably measured in miles. If you travel with family or other companions, this should be a conversation you have before you even depart on your trip.
Son of a...Don't use wasp spray. It's been reformulated since they found out that field techs were using it for defense.
Use bear spray and a knife.
I carry a Glock 23.4. And keep an Ar15 and shotgun nearby. In the camper if so equipped.
Can it come with oil slick shoes?i like the idea of something like this...
but secretly modify it with a piston and an air cylinder that can extend the fist at 2300 fps
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And a tungsten fist!Can it come with oil slick shoes?
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