Work related I swear. (Bouncer)Ok, for some reason I'm inclined to believe you. And I'm not sure I want to hang out with you, lots of good stories though!
Work related I swear. (Bouncer)Ok, for some reason I'm inclined to believe you. And I'm not sure I want to hang out with you, lots of good stories though!
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Well said! If you carry you must know & comply by the local Laws & regulations!Here we go...the Firearm Safety Certificate study guide from the CA Office of the Attorney General: http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscsg.pdf. Includes self tests after each chapter. This link is to the same source but is the summary so it is a quicker read: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/pdf/cfl2016.pdf.
This is an interesting and very quick read, though not sure how to read it from the NFS: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5066182.pdf. I think may need to look up the Cooperative Wildlife Agreement it mentions.
This one is VERY interesting to read: Laws and Regulations in Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks -- https://www.nps.gov/seki/learn/management/lawsandpolicies.htm. In part it states, "As of January 1, 2013, California law prohibits the open carry of any firearm within the parks. Persons otherwise permitted to possess firearms (in general) may possess a concealed firearm with a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm (CCW) from California. A CCW from another state does not apply." And, "Weapons (including, but not limited to, BB, Pellet and Paint Guns, Bow/Arrow, Slingshots, Bear Spray (emphasis added) and other compressed gas irritant devices) are illegal to possess (emphasis added). Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. This also applies to concealed firearms with a valid CCW." this is a guess, but the NP's in CA may have the same or at least similar laws.
I guess you need to read up on the laws before you go to see what the laws are where you are intending to go. Kinda like checking road conditions before a trip.
I'm not trying to hijack a posting, but this is a very serious issue. Understanding firearm laws is, in my opinion, just as important as understanding firearms themselves.
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I second this!This is a great article and well-said. Especially, considering you may meet up with people along the way who are either not comfortable around firearms or have children... Always be responsible for your firearm, always...
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As I am very supportive of keeping your weapons locked up, in the situation you need it right away I would say locked under the seat may not be the best idea. Most self defense situations happen at very close distances with little notice or warning and the last thing you want is to be trying to get under your seat to unlock it in a high stress situation. Always make sure your children are exposed to firearms if you plan to carry and know how dangerous they are and understand how they operate.Americans can be crazy. I’m thinking of an underseat locking box with pistol. I don’t know. Something to never bring out unless that 1 in a billion chance happens and I have to protect myself of my boys. I don’t know. You can just have a knife, but so you want to be an arms length or farther giving more time to make options.
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As I am very supportive of keeping your weapons locked up, in the situation you need it right away I would say locked under the seat may not be the best idea. Most self defense situations happen at very close distances with little notice or warning and the last thing you want is to be trying to get under your seat to unlock it in a high stress situation. Always make sure your children are exposed to firearms if you plan to carry and know how dangerous they are and understand how they operate.
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I agree with your sentiment. All tools should be used responsibly.Thanks to Narbob for starting this discussion and to all who have expressed so many important points that are involved with this topic. I took the time last evening to go through all the discussion I this now-almost-3 yr-old thread.
Lot's of great info!
Bravo to all for the civility as well. If ever there was a "third rail" topic, this would qualify.
I'm new just this week to OB and am still trying to both navigate the content and figure out how to involve myself. If nothing else, I'm pleased that the respect element pervades here.
Guns are tools. They are also, for some of us, much like kit. We appreciate their use and function and revel in their use, maintenance and repair, and modification. In that way, they are really our toys, no different than the rigs we own and outfit, maintain and repair and modify.
It is an awesome responsibility to take an overland rig into undeveloped "adventure country", to do so with safety and sanity, yet "leave it better than you found it" so that all us who now enjoy the sport can continue to do do. More importantly, so those who will come after us will also have the same opportunity.
With firearms, it is no different. I try to focus on my responsibility with regard to ownership and use of my weapon-tools-toys. I don't impose my use of those tools on anyone else, and prudently avoid drawing attention to them in many cases, because I live in an area and state where more do not understand than there are those that do.
Here's to all of us who are passionately involved in playing with all of our toys and use of all of our tools, SAFELY, respectfully, and most importantly, legally!
Hope to run into some of you as we travel the road of happy destiny!
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Mmm... not always. Sometimes the actual law, and a officers interpretation are different. I will sometimes print out the actual statute as a hedge, (similar to TSA national rules web page/most up to date) when the local TSA airport officer is....WRONG. And you can't rely on a supervisor either in some cases. ATV rules for Nevada and Oregon are different. Also pistol vs revolver will be legal/illegal, depending on how it's loaded, or if your standing next to, or sitting on a ATV.Personally if I am going to a different state the first thing I do is call the state police and just ask. I would rather have answers from the source than from a book, website etc... that may or may not be completely correct. They will tell you weather or not it is legal to carry where ever you plan on going and camping as well.
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