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Just the desire........

I appreciate the stuff as much as anyone. Enjoy looking at the photos of killer overland rigs from the expos, nifty do-dads, etc.

And then I see a young couple in a beat to heck Nissan Maxima several miles from no-where, with a couple well used shovels and a huge pry bar duck taped to roof rails that obviously don't fit the Maxima, setting up camp consisting of a ground tent that no one would buy at a garage sale and a bunch of other stuff they obviously did buy at one and I think.........ha ha ha.

For a while.

Then, an appreciation of their desire overwhelms my smug "my stuff is better than yours" mindset. In the end, good on them, isn't that why we're all out here?
 
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I enjoy reading all the different posts and the variety of off road needs, some more hardcore, or just To travel and camp. I was reading through my old Fourwheeler, 4WD, Jeep magazines from the 70,s. They were looking for 31 inch tires so they could go on the rougher trails and get 8 or 9 inches of ground clearance. Are the trails that much more difficult or we taking harder lines needing 35, 37 or 40 inch tires? Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks or do we care more about damage to our very expensive vehicles? I’m careful because, like most, my vehicle is for everything I do. I’ve never been able to spend money for stuff I want but don’t need. Now i need to stop sleeping in tents on the ground re back pain. Going to try sleeping in the bed of the truck on a proper mattress/sleeping platform. There should be enough room having an eight foot bed. I also want taller tires, I want a slide in camper, I want pretty much all the toys. Let’s see how many become needs.
So right! I m in with that
 

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The only thing you "need" is a well maintained vehicle and fuel to get it down the road. Everything else is comfort and possibly safety. Get what makes you happy and don't worry about if others think it is need or a luxury.
 
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I like gadgets and comfort. Most of us have been doing this long enough to know what works and what doesn't. Trial and error is how we got our experience.

Having an older vehicle and driving way off pavement means more tools. More tools means you better know how to fix things or their just extra weight. If you cant fix your rig you need something newer or stay close to the highway.

Recovery gear is a whole new world of wants and needs. Having front and rear 14k winch's look cool but now your stuck in the sand and no sand anchor. You NEEDED a traction board.

You really NEED great lighting for night driving off road. 5k in led lights later and you drive to camp in the daytime, have dinner before you lose the sunlight. By dark, your by the campfire. But hey, those light bars look great reflecting fire light.

I use to run with a guy that had 3 huge first aid/trama kits. He had no training. That's ok though, someone in his group may have training (I was the only one). I also hope someone in his group knew how to use the field blood transfusion device he paid over 1k for. All three kits had the same stuff (except the transfusion machine). He only needed one.
I think my favorite thing though is watching these off road experts on their sponsored U-Tube channels, telling you how you "need" their sponsored gear. Don't forget to subscribe so my sponsors will pay me as well as give me more gear.

I think most of us could go on and on with this. I like the cool factor as long as its functional. Everything I have makes me happy and works for what "I" want. That's what is needed.
He carries more than we do in our First Responder truck at the fire department, lmao.
 
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The only thing you "need" is a well maintained vehicle and fuel to get it down the road. Everything else is comfort and possibly safety. Get what makes you happy and don't worry about if others think it is need or a luxury.
Yep.

When this site was getting started, it was more about just exploring, and getting out there, and less about rock crawling, water crossings and RTT's.

"It doesn't matter what you drive."
 

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there was a time when everything I really "needed" fit in a backpack. having a truck = more creature comforts like a tent I can stand up in, a camp kitchen that can do more then just boil water and eat out of the same pot I cooked in, something to sleep on more then a thin 3/4 Therma-rest, fresh foods, cold drinks, etc. I just got a new vehicle because I had my old one for 20 years and "wanted" something new. the push to mod these things is strong, but I would only see marginal gains for the cost. no way would I spend 1k for a field blood transfusion machine. if you need one of those in the field? you've got my condolences.
 
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Yes @reaver your headlights do indeed need improvement...

To the OP. Overlanding needs break down real simple... “Overlanding is: "Vehicle Dependent Travel". Nothing else.1st Overlanding principal

The only neededs in Overlanding is a reliable means of transportation and your imagination. That is it. Nothing else; noting more required.

Some people spend lots of money on their tires, lift kits, armor, and recovery accessories. While others dump all their savings into the ultimate camp kitchen. Then other say you have to have an RTT or an off-road adventure trailer.

Im hear to tell you that a 1989 Full Sized Bronco is a great Overland rig, so was my Ford Escort. I used to have a huge tent, elaborate camp kitchen, 2 tons of body armor on a lifted Dodge Ram. It looked syck, and I was always the envy in camp. But I was also the last one to leave camp.
Since getting the Bronco I downsized my kitchen from a pull out chick box with 25 gallons of water and hot water in demand to a simple Cast Iron skillet, Dutch Oven and a sleeping roll for the warm summer nights and a T4 Plus for those chilly and wet camps of early spring and late fall. My Bronco has added lights and a roof rack to help me carry my T4 and light my path at night. I now only carry 12 gallons of fresh drinking water that I heat up in my old beat up percolator. Fuel is still carried as needed in old army hand me down fuel cans, and only carried when I know I’m going to be venturing far from civilization (like elk camp).

The fallowing is the rookie Overlander Kit to success.
Drive what you got, the way you have it set up at this exact minute, for one year. Purchase a note pad and a pencil to be left in your rig at all times. Make three lists in three different parts of the note book. List 1: List the equipment you already own and take with you on your journeys. List 2: things you need to do to your rig. List 3: Camping gear that will make life better for me on the trail.
For one year write everything down that comes to mind. Keep track of the gear you are using. What would make life easier in the trail? What or where does your vehicle excel at, where and what are it’s weaknesses. Can you overcome those weaknesses with aftermarket parts, can you manufacture your own solutions.
Now that a year has elapsed, take your three lists and compose them into a new note book... this time it’s going to be six sections. The three lists remain the same, with the addition of two sub lists per main list... Wants/Needs... so as you copy the data, put thought into each item and prioritize the spot on the list to its actual importance. Buy 2 needs for every want. By doing this you will soon find out what you actually need, and what you don’t.

My Bronco I towed home to be built as an Overlanding vehicle... I have built quite a few over the years so I had an idea of where to start. After getting the Bronco road worthy I went on a short day trip and learned the stock tires weren’t what I needed, so I quickly drove to the tire shop and got tires that would suit my needs. Every one told me to go with 35’s and 4” of lift at minimum. I stayed stock and went with 32’s. Because that is what my driving style needs. The next trip out my alternator when out... so I upgraded it from a 35 amp to 95 amp because I knew I was going to be adding lights and coms gear down the road. Well since I got the alternator I went ahead and bought my roof lights. (Tires=need1, Alternator=need2, Lights=want1... see the pattern?) next trip out my fan belt broke due to a failed smog pump. The Power Steering Pump was whining as well, so I got an upgraded PS Pump along with a smaller belt to bypass the smog pump. I upgraded the PS Pump because I have a hydraulic winch from my last build that will go into the Bronco in a couple of weeks. But I bought the pump early because I was looking ahead at other projects I was going to undertake in the future.
The seats sucked... they were uncomfortable and the adjusting slides were worn out. I found a set of seat out of a 2004 F-250 that looked nice along with a center console for cheaper than a single adjustment rail for the original seats. The steering column also had some issues and tearing into it I found the main housing to be beyond repair, so I ordered a new steering column out of a newer F-250. All of this lead to me wanting a new stereo and coms gear so I built an overhead console to house my radio and CB while I mounted my 2 meter radio to the front of my center console as a temporary position.
Finally my automatic transmission won’t stay adjusted, I can’t maintain overdrive at highway speeds. I prefer a manual transmission any ways so I just picked up my 5 speed for the conversion later this week (I Hope).
Some where last winter while building the overhead console, I built my roof rack because I knew I needed more storage for when my kids come with me.
All of this has taken me a little over a year to complete and once I have the transmission swap done I only have my lockers to think about... so far they have been a want and not a need.

I hope my rambling makes sense... my point in all of this is drive what you got... what works for me won’t work for you. And vice versa... leave the gear envy at the door. That’s for those elite guys on that other forum. Get what works for you. Ask questions on here... just don’t ask “Do I need this?” Or “Should I get that?” Because if you have to ask those types of questions you are actually falling victim to the gear envy...Now asking “Is Item A better than Item B?” Or “What is the point of item A?” That’s a different story.
Nicely said. Your 3rd and the last paragraph were perfect. Later.
 
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Great thread, that has me thinking. We do some other camping (glamping) with RVs/trailers and all the luxuries of a nice hotel. I look to Overlanding for the opposite of that: simplicity and a truer connection to nature. Still, I'm a gear-geek and it's easy to let myself get carried away and for things to snowball (just look at my WJ build itself). There's a part of me that wants to build-out a nice sleeping platform/drawer system, add a 2-compartment fridge/freezer, add water storage with a pump and heater, etc, etc etc. Then I come to my senses, at least so far I have. I totally understand why that is the right decision for *some* Overlanders, especially those doing multi-week trips. That's just not where I am right now. So, I've been re-evaluating what is actually needed. There are a zillion threads and videos on "go bags" and survival kits, so I won't try to get into specifics there (and I'm certainly not the expert) but here are my thoughts related more to the rig itself:

  • A well-sorted, well-maintained rig. It doesn't have to be anything crazy (do as I say, not as I do ;) ) and in reality a bias towards long-drive comfort over "extreme" wheeling is probably key (which, believe it or not has indeed been a focus of my WJ). The terrain where you plan to Overland and your appetite for adventure will dictate if you want a pretty normal unibody-based IFS/IRS "crossover" or something more like a full-frame, solid-axle rig (or something in between, like a unibody but solid axle WJ). Chances are 99.9% of Overlanders would never need more than a bone-stock JLU Rubicon (which is perhaps why they're mot prevalent)
  • Recovery points and recovery gear. Preferably we'd all have a winch but if you only travel in groups solid front and rear recovery points are probably sufficient, so long as you have the right gear. For gear, I would say a good kinetic rope, some soft-shackles, some accessories like tree-savers and the *knowledge* to use it all is plenty
  • A reasonable tool, fluids and spares kit. Your rig will dictate a lot of what is needed here, as well as the terrain you push. If you're more extreme then your spares kit will be as well (for example, I intend to carry things like spare axle shafts and everything to swap one). For most I just think some basics like a spare serpentine belt, a quart or so of each major fluid, water (which you will have for drinking anyway), fuses/relays, will do it. I like to have a bit more, especially when I go places that have me a day outside of cell signal or well-traveled roads. I have a spare starter, spare alternator, spare coils (I don't bring all 8, but 1-2 are good), I have some spare sensors from the engine swap so I just keep 'em on hand anyway (the ones that you're realistically going to do on the trail... I have spare knock sensors, but c'mon I'm not pulling the intake... which requires taking at least 1 engine mount bolt out because of the '08 intake... and swapping knock sensors in the field). I need to pickup spare u-joints, just hadn't done that since the axles/t-case/driveshafts are all getting changed so need to order for those not the stock stuff, and I might even order and carry a spare rear driveshaft. As far as tools, I think the extent of your spares kit will dictate your tools. If you carry it as a spare, you better have the tools to change it. And that doesn't mean just the tools to pull a part off, but the tools to work with it. For example, if you carry spare u-joints for your axle shafts you need the tools to pull that axle shaft (like the big arse socket for the axle nut and a big breaker bar) but the tools to mess with the u-joint itself (various pics and stuff for messing with the little clips, hammers, etc.). Or for example, my starter is a biatch to get to without some 3/8" drive swivel-sockets. Basically, look at your spares kit, then figure out what you need to change each thing in there (YouTube and Forums are always helpful). If you run heim-style suspension and steering having at least 1 of each size in your rig is a good idea too. Oh yeah... gloves. Unless you want your entire interior to be covered in grease and smell like gear-oil some gloves, rags and I like a ratty-old long-sleeve to wear when I work on stuff on the trail. Even if it's hot and the long-sleeve makes it kind of miserable, it's better than using up your entire water-supply trying to get clean after the work
  • The aforementioned "go bags" and "survival kits" plus some sort of sat-comm device (inReach etc.). If you're in a big group with lots of rigs you can go a bit lighter here. However, if I'm solo I'm going to basically, take how long you expect it'd take to get a recovery team to you if you have to use the SOS on the sat-comms and then multiply it be 2 or 3 and make sure you have food/water etc. for that amount of time
Besides that, all you really "need" would be the same stuff you "need" if you were backpacking the same terrain. Anything above that is a "want" not a need. Now, don't get me wrong, I bring tons of WANTS so I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

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there was a time when everything I really "needed" fit in a backpack. having a truck = more creature comforts like a tent I can stand up in, a camp kitchen that can do more then just boil water and eat out of the same pot I cooked in, something to sleep on more then a thin 3/4 Therma-rest, fresh foods, cold drinks, etc. I just got a new vehicle because I had my old one for 20 years and "wanted" something new. the push to mod these things is strong, but I would only see marginal gains for the cost. no way would I spend 1k for a field blood transfusion machine. if you need one of those in the field? you've got my condolences.
Their was a time when everything I needed fit on my motorbike. My needs have evolved with the passage of time and age. At this point in my travel and adventure life I don't really consider a good bed, warm dry environment, cold stuff in a fridge, and hot water a luxury. I would have 30 years ago as I passed myself on the highway, chuckling at the crap these folks haul around with them. Now I pass the frozen and wet motorcyclists on the highway and have a little inner chuckle. All is relative and hoenstly i'm pretty happy with my creature comforts. It has allowed me to travel and explore further with more comfort, which is "all I need".
 
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Gotta watch those chevys too, they like spitting parts all over....Joking of course!
Thats most likely what you get with a crap lift kit. The picture looks like the upper arm/ball joint let go. I see that every once in a while or I inspect one for noise and its getting ready to break.
 

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Now i need to stop sleeping in tents on the ground re back pain. Going to try sleeping in the bed of the truck on a proper mattress/sleeping platform.
This was my main reason to build a Square Drop Trailer. One of the must haves was a full size mattress and when we bought our grandson a new bed, the old mattress became the camper bed. I also wanted ease of access and it is wonderful to be able to get into and out of bed as easily in the camper as in the house.

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This was my main reason to build a Square Drop Trailer. One of the must haves was a full size mattress and when we bought our grandson a new bed, the old mattress became the camper bed. I also wanted ease of access and it is wonderful to be able to get into and out of bed as easily in the camper as in the house.

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This is where I’m really having a hard time. I have never liked towing but I know deep down it’s the best choice. My regular cab 2500hd eight foot bed truck is fine for sleeping in for a weekend, maybe week long trip and carries all I could ever need. Other vehicle is a Cherokee Trailhawk that can tow 4500lbs. So I could use trailer with both vehicles. My first choice is a pop up truck camper. I like the Hiker trailers as they are inexpensive and only have what is needed. NoBo 10.5 is also a nice trailer. All options have advantages. I refuse to spend lots of money so best bang for the buck will be the choice as long as it is a comfortable sleep.
 

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Thats most likely what you get with a crap lift kit. The picture looks like the upper arm/ball joint let go. I see that every once in a while or I inspect one for noise and its getting ready to break.
It was a joking little dig at rumble posting the Mazda with crap tires that were flat. He has an awesome Chev so I am having a little fun.
 
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