Overlanding is: "Vehicle Dependent Travel". Nothing else. We will not further define "overlanding".

[bgenlvtex]

I agree, doesn't mean it doesn't happen though. People are becoming more and more passive and introverted because of technology and it's just the unfortunate side effects.


Either way this thread is off the rails just like every other one.

I don't have any expectation that the world should adjust to whatever psychological issues the introverts might have.

This thread is "off the rails" due to the efforts of one guy, and it isn't hard to see. I'm avoiding blocking him but if he persists that's my only choice.

 

[Correus]

The original agreement serves as a contract and a lifetime membership was purchased in full so unless there was a clause saying they can do so, there really isn't any avenue to get more from those members unless they create a new tier.

And that's when I will bow out.

I'm a member of specialized forum for vintage Land Rover SII/SIIa owners called the S2C (Series 2 Club). The forum aspect came about with the internet. This club has annual dues. It has basically every service and feature this organization has yet it produces a glossy magazine for members, badges, parts discounts, insurance discounts (in most countries), and so on - all for about $30 a year.

 

[LostWoods]

I don't have any expectation that the world should adjust to whatever psychological issues the introverts might have.

This thread is "off the rails" due to the efforts of one guy, and it isn't hard to see. I'm avoiding blocking him but if he persists that's my only choice.

I dunno... I guess I've been a member of dozens of forums over the years and while some have had opportunities to contribute, this is the first where membership is pushed so prominently. If you want to be inclusive, you should remove as many barriers to entry as possible because a lot of it is subconscious.

 

[Correus]

Where do you see people pretending that OB is not a business?

I'm pretty sure that the "founding principles" have existed since "founding" occurred. Do you see something in them that doesn't suggest that inclusiveness is part of the hobby?

I seriously don't understand what you are so worked up over. I started this thread sso wwe ccould hopefully sort out helping people articulate their actual needs, aand you have for whatever reason decided it is your own personal bully pulpit that you can use to tell everyone how much OB sucks, including your drama filled de-badging post like anybody gives a single drop of piss if you have badges on your vehicle.

You clearly don't recognize it,bbut yyou aare iillustrating exactly why people don't follow your advice,rright hhere , right now.

I use to be a member of the Guns-n-Rovers forum... talk about a forum filled with elitists! The majority of the membership had the same sentiment as the poster you made your reply to. True, not everyone on that forum is this way, but the majority of the 'movers-n-shakers' and mods are (or at least were).

They often treated newbies as scum and dirt and had no business running with them. I sat and watched them dump on three new guys in such a manner all three left. I started treating those guys with the same respect they gave those three guys. Guess what happened to me - got banned for life.

 

[bgenlvtex]

I dunno... I guess I've been a member of dozens of forums over the years and while some have had opportunities to contribute, this is the first where membership is pushed so prominently. If you want to be inclusive, you should remove as many barriers to entry as possible because a lot of it is subconscious.

I never felt any pressure, don't know how I would honestly.

I don't understand how you are making inclusivity and free the same thing. Particularly when it is free to begin with.

Running a website is not free, and requires some knowledge. Being able to use those resources for free is a huge asset.

I personally have never belonged to an enthusiast forum that I didn't save more money in discounts, group buys, deal alerts or group knowledge than membership costs.

 

[64Trvlr]

Who is this "WE" you refer to in the thread title?

 

[bgenlvtex]

Who is this "WE" you refer to in the thread title?

It is a direct quotation of the founding principles, first line (although I just copied and pasted and failed to put it in quotation marks)

 

[bgenlvtex]

Who is this "WE" you refer to in the thread title?

Overland Bound Founding Principles

Welcome! I'm Michael and I accidentally created Overland Bound. I'm a backwoods country bumpkin from a town of 360 people. Seriously, my grade school was 70 kids TOTAL. My mom was the school nurse. We walked to the country store a mile away, and bought groceries "on the tab". The store owner...

www.overlandbound.com

 

[ThundahBeagle]

I don't think you understand my post.

In no way am I suggesting that people should not ask questions, ever, nor am I saying that anyone should be excluded, ever.

What I AM saying is that when a question is asked that is so abundantly broad that in fact it cannot be answered, that an effort should be made by all, not the least of whom should be moderators, to bring context to the question, so that it CAN be answered without it turning into a rock chunking event.

Please accept my opinion here respectfully, as thats how it is intended. I agree with some points listed, and not with others.

I agree with @Shakes355 , although for some reason I didnt see his post prior to your quoting it.

Yes, OP, a person asking a question should inject some context into it. I'd love it if that happened all the time. But my girlfriend in the other room will say something I might not hear, I'll say "what?" and she will proceed to step into the room I'm in and say ONE word of her previous 20 word statement and expect me to know what the hell she was talking about all the way in the other room. Ok? Doesnt mean I dont love her. That's how some people are, as irritating as it can be.

The Mods cant be spending thier time redirecting every question to the Founding Principals or to other threads dealing with the same question.

I disagree that a road trip in a Prius where you nap at Kroger when you are tired is considered Overlanding. That's called a Road Trip and its different than the classic Overlanding, at least as I see it. By all means drive that Prius, and nap at Kroger. And if you have questions, we shouldnt be elitist about answering them.

@Boostpowered , If you dont want to call yourself an overlander, then dont. I sure dont. I like to hike and camp, and would like to expand my camp locations to more remote areas, and drive to those areas. This is a good place to get info and advice.

Telling someone to Google it isnt going to help them much as much as we would hope, as they will be barraged by every manufacturer, sales rep, stroker and poser trying to sell them something like BF Goodrich Overland tire tread windshield wipers! What the hell does a noob do then? They reach out here and ask what the experienced people are doing and using. Looking for some cool older dude who has DONE it, to give them some direction and show em the ropes.

Meanwhile I also agree that there is a lot to be gained by checking vehicle-specific forums. I myself am a member of at least 2 Jeep forums and 3 Silverado/Sierra forums and gain a lot of info there. However, to say people are being elitist here because they create spaces specific to various vehicle types, well I just dont think that's the case. A Silverdo truck forum is one thing. Equipment and methodology of off-roading, setting up camp and such can be very vehicle specific and I'm ok with those subdivisions here, it means someone who owns a Subaru doesnt have to scroll through a metric sh1t ton of Jeep TJ threads. Theres a specialized place to go to.

Questions you feel are not fleshed out...If you dont want to answer, there is nothing and there is nobody forcing you to engage.

We are not a professional club. There are no licensing or educational requirements to join. Some people need more guidance than others. Be a guide or just sit back. Either is OK.

My 2 cents and no disrespect to anyone.

 

[grubworm]

My 2 cents and no disrespect to anyone.

2 cents? That was easily a $1

Best post yet

 

[bgenlvtex]

Please accept my opinion here respectfully, as thats how it is intended. I agree with some points listed, and not with others.

I agree with @Shakes355 , although for some reason I didnt see his post prior to your quoting it.

Yes, OP, a person asking a question should inject some context into it. I'd love it if that happened all the time. But my girlfriend in the other room will say something I might not hear, I'll say "what?" and she will proceed to step into the room I'm in and say ONE word of her previous 20 word statement and expect me to know what the hell she was talking about all the way in the other room. Ok? Doesnt mean I dont love her. That's how some people are, as irritating as it can be.

The Mods cant be spending thier time redirecting every question to the Founding Principals or to other threads dealing with the same question.

I disagree that a road trip in a Prius where you nap at Kroger when you are tired is considered Overlanding. That's called a Road Trip and its different than the classic Overlanding, at least as I see it. By all means drive that Prius, and nap at Kroger. And if you have questions, we shouldnt be elitist about answering them.

@Boostpowered , If you dont want to call yourself an overlander, then dont. I sure dont. I like to hike and camp, and would like to expand my camp locations to more remote areas, and drive to those areas. This is a good place to get info and advice.

Telling someone to Google it isnt going to help them much as much as we would hope, as they will be barraged by every manufacturer, sales rep, stroker and poser trying to sell them something like BF Goodrich Overland tire tread windshield wipers! What the hell does a noob do then? They reach out here and ask what the experienced people are doing and using. Looking for some cool older dude who has DONE it, to give them some direction and show em the ropes.

Meanwhile I also agree that there is a lot to be gained by checking vehicle-specific forums. I myself am a member of at least 2 Jeep forums and 3 Silverado/Sierra forums and gain a lot of info there. However, to say people are being elitist here because they create spaces specific to various vehicle types, well I just dont think that's the case. A Silverdo truck forum is one thing. Equipment and methodology of off-roading, setting up camp and such can be very vehicle specific and I'm ok with those subdivisions here, it means someone who owns a Subaru doesnt have to scroll through a metric sh1t ton of Jeep TJ threads. Theres a specialized place to go to.

Questions you feel are not fleshed out...If you dont want to answer, there is nothing and there is nobody forcing you to engage.

We are not a professional club. There are no licensing or educational requirements to join. Some people need more guidance than others. Be a guide or just sit back. Either is OK.

My 2 cents and no disrespect to anyone.

You didn't see his post because he took it down after he understood what I was saying.

I'm not saying that mods alone should be shouldered with that task, I'm suggesting the community do so. That said I don't know what the mods are busy doing otherwise. When a chucklehead suggested he service my wife, not only was there no mod to be seen, but when they did ultimately lock the thread after I reported it, they left the comment up, that's the weakest shit I've ever seen on the internet.

No offense taken, and I appreciate your input.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Yes.
The failure to provide context leads to a bunch of squabbling. In the case of the OP they very much may not possess to ask a better question, or they may just be lazy.

I'm saying that when someone makes a post like that instead of rushing to answer the question,first ask for context. Otherwise all they get is impertinent opinion, that people then vigorously defend when they don't even know that they have made a good recommendation

I think it is up to whoever decides to engage this open ended, broad question, guide the discussion to narrow it down a little if the person asking the question doesnt know enough to narrow it down themselves. Some newer or younger people might not even understand the tire size system and how some measurements are absolute while others are aspect ratios.

Is this an example where someone on a vehicle specific forum or even Google can learn about tire size numbers? Yes. But we can start to guide them to ask better questions and teach them where to look, but answering some part of the question and saying "here's where I found out more about it."

 

[ThundahBeagle]

You didn't see his post because he took it down after he understood what I was saying.

I'm not saying that mods alone should be shouldered with that task, I'm suggesting the community do so. That said I don't know what the mods are busy doing otherwise. When a chucklehead suggested he service my wife, not only was there no mod to be seen, but when they did ultimately lock the thread after I reported it, they left the comment up, that's the weakest shit I've ever seen on the internet.

No offense taken, and I appreciate your input.

Sorry. I just hooked into this post today and saw that it was created yesterday and has already ballooned to 7 pages. You're on fire and sparked conversation. So that's good.

 

[grubworm]

even jerry springer would be proud of this thread!

 

[bgenlvtex]

I think it is up to whoever decides to engage this open ended, broad question, guide the discussion to narrow it down a little if the person asking the question doesnt know enough to narrow it down themselves. Some newer or younger people might not even understand the tire size system and how some measurements are absolute while others are aspect ratios.

Is this an example where someone on a vehicle specific forum or even Google can learn about tire size numbers? Yes. But we can start to guide them to ask better questions and teach them where to look, but answering some part of the question and saying "here's where I found out more about it."

Absolutely, I'm just asking the other members, mods and staff to help guide that conversation so it doesn't end up a poo flinging event as so frequently happens

 

[bgenlvtex]

even jerry springer would be proud of this thread!

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Shoes are under rated weapons

 

[ThundahBeagle]

well, what do you know? we do have a lot in common!

its all good. i spent a lot of time on subs in the navy and many years out on oil drilling rigs where we'd be cooped up out there for months at a time. we'd get into heated arguments and go at it hard, but then we'd get back on land and buy each other some beers and all was good. this is how "men" generally handle things and we generally get to the right places on our own. getting all "politically correct" and censoring conversation so as to not hurt feelings has actually done us all a disservice. some of my best friends had started off as people i had heated arguments with. its a "guy thing"...kinda hate seeing it go. now when guys blow up at each other, they are immediately silenced and separated without ever having the chance to get to the good part where they work thru it and then end up getting along...even if they still dont completely agree with each other, they end up with a mutual respect

Epic of Gilgamesh, anyone?

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Jeep had to actually call one of their rigs "Overlander" so that people would come to think it so. Same goes for tge "trail rated".

Yet - one look at a Series Rover and you KNOW you are seeing THE iconic 'overlander'.

ROTFLMAO!!!

That's been one of my issues with Jeep these last 15 years or so. Dude, Jeep used to MEAN offroad capable vehicle. Trail rated -?! That's what Jeep MEANT. Now things are softened to the point they have to indicate WHICH Jeeps are the good ones.

However, my brother in law has a new Gladiator (which I wish they called the Scrambler, more fitting), and I like it. It's a Wrangler with a little truck bed. What's more Utility than that?

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Full time "overlander" or homeless?
Not much difference aside from price of gear.
Maybe we should invite them to the community too they'd probably have more to contribute.

Off-road, off-grid: the modern nomads wandering America's back country

Across US public lands thousands of people are taking to van life, as featured in the Oscar-tipped film Nomadland Bob Wells: ‘Then came the first of the month, and something clicked: he didn’t have to pay rent.’ Photograph: Bob Wells If you look closely on city streets, campgrounds and stretches...

news.yahoo.com

Yeah. And he is welcoming, teaches, and has a charity. I was going to link this but you beat me to it. I havent even finished reading the whole thread yet

 

[ThundahBeagle]

No its called knowing where you belong, know your roll, stay in your lane, etc.

By your logic everything I have to talk about will apply to a Subaru outback which is wrong the only thing my truck has in common with a subie is we would both have a turbocharger and a 12v battery everything else is different.

Never said that soft roaders have no place here but I do believe we need segregation from each other. And I think that ob thinks the same since they had to add full sized truck section and 2wd section.

In an earlier post, you decried segregation based on vehicle type. Now you want segregation based on experience. Should I have to have filled out a questionnaire and relate my life experience into a SQL database before being sorted and allowed to join?

Dont respond to the question if you dont want to.