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So the turn off I took on Bethel ridge to avoid the slow rocky section is at 46.75361, -120.99177 and is called Grouse Haven rd on the green dot maps. Gaia doesn't show it connecting up with Bethel Ridge rd/NF 325 but it does and is marked with a white fiberglass highway marker that has a green dot sticker. Once on it there is a some what steep down hill that makes it look like the trail might get sketchy but it's actually a really nice rd, one of the better in the area and it will knock off about 3 mile in distance. It meets back up with Meloy Canyon Rd. about 2 miles before the trun off to head into Nile.
On a side note the mass of wind blown trees blocking the other route for this section is cleared and passable. If you're good on time heading over there for some pics is worth it before tackling bethel ridge. I didn't go any farther down NF199 this time but I was able to make it all the way out NF190 to Timberwolf Mtn. and it was pretty awesome. The snow is gone in all but the last .5 mile, but if you walk up to the peak you are greeted with a 360 view of where you've been and where you're heading. There is also a cool looking cabin up there a bit before the end of the road.

Here is some pics from the top of Timberwolf Mountain.
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And here is a link to the Green Dot map that shows Grouse Haven Rd.

Now I'll stop blowing up your thread with my adventures and let you guys get back to planning. Have fun out there! Wish I could make this trip, it's definitely one I will be tackling at some point.
 

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So the turn off I took on Bethel ridge to avoid the slow rocky section is at 46.75361, -120.99177 and is called Grouse Haven rd on the green dot maps. Gaia doesn't show it connecting up with Bethel Ridge rd/NF 325 but it does and is marked with a white fiberglass highway marker that has a green dot sticker. Once on it there is a some what steep down hill that makes it look like the trail might get sketchy but it's actually a really nice rd, one of the better in the area and it will knock off about 3 mile in distance. It meets back up with Meloy Canyon Rd. about 2 miles before the trun off to head into Nile.
On a side note the mass of wind blown trees blocking the other route for this section is cleared and passable. If you're good on time heading over there for some pics is worth it before tackling bethel ridge. I didn't go any farther down NF199 this time but I was able to make it all the way out NF190 to Timberwolf Mtn. and it was pretty awesome. The snow is gone in all but the last .5 mile, but if you walk up to the peak you are greeted with a 360 view of where you've been and where you're heading. There is also a cool looking cabin up there a bit before the end of the road.

Here is some pics from the top of Timberwolf Mountain.
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And here is a link to the Green Dot map that shows Grouse Haven Rd.

Now I'll stop blowing up your thread with my adventures and let you guys get back to planning. Have fun out there! Wish I could make this trip, it's definitely one I will be tackling at some point.
Thanks for the heads up. I don't know about the rest of the group, but I am never looking for the easy way. To me the challenge is part of the fun. Because we are going as a group, I will always submit to the desire of the group/leaders, but if given a choice, I say we stick to the official route unless it is just not possible. If I wanted easy, I would take the Highway, the greater the challenge, the greater the reward.
I think we have capable rigs and enough knowledge and recover gear/winches to get through anything that the trail throws at us.
But again, I will submit to the needs of the group.
 

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Thanks for the heads up. I don't know about the rest of the group, but I am never looking for the easy way. To me the challenge is part of the fun. Because we are going as a group, I will always submit to the desire of the group/leaders, but if given a choice, I say we stick to the official route unless it is just not possible. If I wanted easy, I would take the Highway, the greater the challenge, the greater the reward.
I think we have capable rigs and enough knowledge and recover gear/winches to get through anything that the trail throws at us.
But again, I will submit to the needs of the group.
I'm ok either way. I'm lifted, locked f&r, have a winch and recovery gear, etc.
 
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I'm with you on challenges, especially when I have you guys to pull me back out of snow/mud/my stupidity :grinning: There's a reason my best recovery point is at the rear of my rig.

And @MrWilsonWJ, please continue to "blow up this thread" with suggestions and pictures. I love it!
 

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Looks like to me from what all wrote about the vehicle they will be using, you will have no problems especially running together as a group. Vance.
 
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I'm with you on challenges, especially when I have you guys to pull me back out of snow/mud/my stupidity :grinning: There's a reason my best recovery point is at the rear of my rig.

And @MrWilsonWJ, please continue to "blow up this thread" with suggestions and pictures. I love it!
I think with the gear you guys have and the "take the challenge head on" attitude you guys will be fine. Like I said before it's a pretty short section and it might dry up some more. There was only one point where I thought I might need to winch but made it out. For the bigger rigs and the trailers you will for sure be clearing the trail a bit if no one gets to it before you. Even with that I can see a few 3 point turns and skillful trailer maneuvers being needed. New scratches are guaranteed. A little ways out of that section there is a pretty sweet spot to stop for pictures of the rigs with mountains in the background, could gets some pretty epic group shots if you had a drone.
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Shortly after this spot is the turn off for the green dot road, there wasn't much for views or anything really special about staying on the bethel ridge route. I think I preferred the green dot rd, It was a whole lot smoother and was a fun winding road.
 

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Getting very excited! The Jeep is mostly packed and I am questioning my sanity at not pulling a trailer with the family. @armyRN would love a walk through of your setup and experiences towing. Took a look at a couple trailers and will be accepting donations ;)

@MrWilsonWJ thanks for the excellent reports! I have been starting to swat skeeters up here and wondered what the bugs were like for you on the WABDR? Have a new bug-a-salt for the trip ;)

Reserved a room in Cascade Locks Sunday 14th and am excited to drag the family across the BOTG twice ;) Receptionist at the hotel said it was still scary :)

Looking forward to chatting tonight and meeting up in less than a week. Bring your rain slickers! Conflicting WX reports but we may get wet the first couple of days.
 

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Getting very excited! The Jeep is mostly packed and I am questioning my sanity at not pulling a trailer with the family. @armyRN would love a walk through of your setup and experiences towing. Took a look at a couple trailers and will be accepting donations ;)

@MrWilsonWJ thanks for the excellent reports! I have been starting to swat skeeters up here and wondered what the bugs were like for you on the WABDR? Have a new bug-a-salt for the trip ;)

Reserved a room in Cascade Locks Sunday 14th and am excited to drag the family across the BOTG twice ;) Receptionist at the hotel said it was still scary :)

Looking forward to chatting tonight and meeting up in less than a week. Bring your rain slickers! Conflicting WX reports but we may get wet the first couple of days.
I can't talk for all of the WABDR since I was only up around Bethel Ridge but we really didn't have any issue with bugs. Ticks are out, no one found any on them or their dogs but we saw some both trips up there so check yourself after being out in the brush.
 
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If your staying in cascade locks the night before swing by the drive through ice cream shop and if you dare and are hungry enough get a large ice cream cone . They also have amazing BLT sandwich’s and oinion rings .
 
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Just talked to the ranger at the Cowlitz ranger station, told her I'm planning to come up from Stevenson on Monday. She said the roads are still not cleared of snow above 3500 ft, impacts all roads going south to north. The higher elevation campgrounds including Tahklahk, Council Lake, and Chambers Lake won't be open until the snow melts. She said it usually melts by the end of June.

Our options include:
  1. Ignore the ranger and push forward. That would be my usual response, hence my comment about having by best recovery ring in the rear.
  2. Try one of the more developed roads in the area, possibly paved. Could try 25 to the west of WABDR, closer to Mt. St. Helens. Note that this one will also crest above 3500 feet.
  3. Start in Packwood instead of Stevenson. We can add another trail day / camp night at the end on our way back home to keep the duration the same. I have ideas for how to do this.
Let's talk more about this tonight at 8pm.

Our conference call / driver's meeting is scheduled for Wednesday June 10th at 8pm PDT. I have emailed information where I have an email address, but any participant is free to join by phone.

+1 469-480-6284 United States, Dallas

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Getting very excited! The Jeep is mostly packed and I am questioning my sanity at not pulling a trailer with the family. @armyRN would love a walk through of your setup and experiences towing. Took a look at a couple trailers and will be accepting donations ;)

@MrWilsonWJ thanks for the excellent reports! I have been starting to swat skeeters up here and wondered what the bugs were like for you on the WABDR? Have a new bug-a-salt for the trip ;)

Reserved a room in Cascade Locks Sunday 14th and am excited to drag the family across the BOTG twice ;) Receptionist at the hotel said it was still scary :)

Looking forward to chatting tonight and meeting up in less than a week. Bring your rain slickers! Conflicting WX reports but we may get wet the first couple of days.
I'll be happy to give you the grand tour of the trailer when we meet up! Till then, I'll give you this to get you started.

The trailer was put together by me starting around 2009, and is based off a little 4' HF trailer frame. I started a very popular thread on the JeepForum years ago dedicated to little 4' HF-type trailer frame builds. It has become a very long thread. However... if you can read it from start to finish, once done you will tell yourself "I can build that". Think of the thread as a primer on building a lil' adventure trailer of your own. Modify your to suit your needs. You could also use one of their 4x8' trailer frames as a starting point.


The trailer is essentially a Harbor Freight-type 4' trailer frame (C-channel frame) that I reinforced, extended the tongue, put a cooler tray up front, swapped out the suspension, and then bolted an aluminum diamond-plate box (built to my specs) to the frame as the tub. It has evolved over time. Think of the tub as a big aluminum diamond plate truck box 40" x 50" at the base of the tub. It is just a simple box with a lid; no tailgate, slide-out drawers, etc. I had it built in the shape of the old WWII Jeep trailers just because I was active duty Army at the time, and I thought it just looked right when towed behind a Jeep. The axle is a 3500lb axle with electric brakes. The springs are 28" long with a shackle at the end (instead of the factory overly-stiff slipper springs). The front of the tongue has a 2" receiver hitch with a lunette ring inside to connect to the pintle hitch on the Jeep. Extremely minimal welding involved (by design). You could easily replicate this trailer for a lot less (thousands less) than similar trailers cost. Pretty much a bolt-on affair. All the info is in the thread linked above.

These folks made the diamond plate tub:


The tires are LT235/75/15" on 15x7" rims. With these tires, and the axle mounted under the springs, the trailer sits level when connected to either of my Jeeps (TJ or CJ2A), and my truck (96 Ram 1500 4x4). 've pulled it with all three vehicles. I don't feel the need to go any larger with the trailer tires; there's more clearance under the trailer's axle with these tires (3-4" as I recall) than under any of my other tow vehicle's axle pumpkins. Larger tires would just be more weight the Jeep's trying to pull, and would put additional stress on the already reinforced rear panel of the trailer tub (which the spare carrier is bolted to). I carry a full-size spare on the trailer so no matter what I'm towing it with, I don't have worry about a matching spare for the trailer. I also carry a spare hub (brake drum) and greased bearings for the trailer's axle.

On the trailer's lid is my RTT. And it isn't really a RTT; it is a double-sized tent-cot from Cabela's that I bolted to the lid (and had an upholstery shop make a cover for). Works fine for me. Figure it weighs about 40lbs ("Real" RTTs weigh over 100lbs). I've spent plenty of nights in it, and slept fine. To get in the tent, you step on the folding aluminum step on the cooler tray (beside the ammo can mounted in front of the cooler), step on the cooler, and then into the tent. You can also open the trailer's lid with the tent opened-up. The cooler usually has a cover on it to keep dirt from being blown into the cooler when traveling on dirt roads (ask me about it when we meet on Monday).


On the outside of the tub I have a cooler strapped-down on the cooler tray up front. The tray is just a narrowed 2" receiver hitch tray. I have two 1.5 gallon Kolpin gas jugs mounted to the tub between the tub and the cooler (originally I had one 4-gallon Kolpin fuel jug there seen in some of the pictures). One of these 1.5 jugs has one gallon of high-test ethanol-free gasoline premixed with oil at a 50:1 ratio for the chainsaw (you can see the chainsaw in the back of the tub in the orange chainsaw bag). There is a 2.5 gallon Jerry can mounted on each side of the tub, a 5lb propane cylinder, a high-lift jack, a shovel, an axe, a 2-gallon water jug inside the spare tire, and the lid is designed to hold four X-Bull traction mats (you can see them mounted on the lid in the picture that also shows the high-lift jack on the passenger side). The X-Bulls are usually in the roof-rack on the TJ; if I'm pulling the trailer with my Willys (like I will be for the Old-School Vehicle WABDR run in September) the X-Bulls will be on the trailer lid. I put LED tail lights (with built-in back-up lights) up high on the tub to protect them. With the trailer being wired for an electric brake controller, I've got an unused always-hot wire on the trailer (currently capped off) that I could use for powering additional camp lighting on the trailer (provided it was attached to the tow vehicle).


There's only so much stuff you can put in the back of a Jeep TJ - even with the back seat removed (and much less in a Willys flat-fender). This trailer allows me to bring a lot more stuff (without going overboard) that allows me to be comfortable when on one of my adventures. This trailer has literally thousands and thousands of miles on it. It has run the Dempster Highway, along with other trips into Canada and Alaska. It crisscrossed the country behind my TJ this past summer and fall (literally; WA to FL to Chicago to southern California [ran Route 66] and then back up to WA - was gone just over a month). My TJ is only a four-cylinder, and it pulls the trailer just fine (nothing a six-cylinder wouldn't make better though). The trailer itself tows like it isn't even there - it rides smoothly and with the longer softer springs and shocks, it takes bounces and off-road just fine. It is a pretty tough little trailer.

The secret to these little trailers is to make the tub tall. Mine is 27" high to the top lip of the tub. It allows me to stack two 8-gallon Rubber Maid Action Packers on top of each other. You'd be amazed at how much stuff you can put inside (and on the outside) of these little 4' trailers. A lot of the trailers based on a WWII trailer theme are only about 18" tall - something to think about.

Here are a bunch of pictures. Please let me know if you have any questions.
 

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Just talked to the ranger at the Cowlitz ranger station, told her I'm planning to come up from Stevenson on Monday. She said the roads are still not cleared of snow above 3500 ft, impacts all roads going south to north. The higher elevation campgrounds including Tahklahk, Council Lake, and Chambers Lake won't be open until the snow melts. She said it usually melts by the end of June.

Our options include:
  1. Ignore the ranger and push forward. That would be my usual response, hence my comment about having by best recovery ring in the rear.
  2. Try one of the more developed roads in the area, possibly paved. Could try 25 to the west of WABDR, closer to Mt. St. Helens. Note that this one will also crest above 3500 feet.
  3. Start in Packwood instead of Stevenson. We can add another trail day / camp night at the end on our way back home to keep the duration the same. I have ideas for how to do this.
Let's talk more about this tonight at 8pm.
Till we talk tonight, I vote for option #1, with being flexible if we need to re-route/take a detour. In other words, lets start out as planned and see what happens.
 

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Till we talk tonight, I vote for option #1, with being flexible if we need to re-route/take a detour. In other words, lets start out as planned and see what happens.
My thoughts as well. We can try and if that does not work out we can try something else... We will have a proper adventure!
 

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If your staying in cascade locks the night before swing by the drive through ice cream shop and if you dare and are hungry enough get a large ice cream cone . They also have amazing BLT sandwich’s and oinion rings .
Sounds like we found dinner for Sunday night! Thanks!!!
 

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I'll be happy to give you the grand tour of the trailer when we meet up! Till then, I'll give you this to get you started.

The trailer was put together by me starting around 2009, and is based off a little 4' HF trailer frame. I started a very popular thread on the JeepForum years ago dedicated to little 4' HF-type trailer frame builds. It has become a very long thread. However... if you can read it from start to finish, once done you will tell yourself "I can build that". Think of the thread as a primer on building a lil' adventure trailer of your own. Modify your to suit your needs. You could also use one of their 4x8' trailer frames as a starting point.


The trailer is essentially a Harbor Freight-type 4' trailer frame (C-channel frame) that I reinforced, extended the tongue, put a cooler tray up front, swapped out the suspension, and then bolted an aluminum diamond-plate box (built to my specs) to the frame as the tub. It has evolved over time. Think of the tub as a big aluminum diamond plate truck box 40" x 50" at the base of the tub. It is just a simple box with a lid; no tailgate, slide-out drawers, etc. I had it built in the shape of the old WWII Jeep trailers just because I was active duty Army at the time, and I thought it just looked right when towed behind a Jeep. The axle is a 3500lb axle with electric brakes. The springs are 28" long with a shackle at the end (instead of the factory overly-stiff slipper springs). The front of the tongue has a 2" receiver hitch with a lunette ring inside to connect to the pintle hitch on the Jeep. Extremely minimal welding involved (by design). You could easily replicate this trailer for a lot less (thousands less) than similar trailers cost. Pretty much a bolt-on affair. All the info is in the thread linked above.

The tires are LT235/75/15" on 15x7" rims. With these tires, and the axle mounted under the springs, the trailer sits level when connected to either of my Jeeps (TJ or CJ2A), and my truck (96 Ram 1500 4x4). 've pulled it with all three vehicles. I don't feel the need to go any larger with the trailer tires; there's more clearance under the trailer's axle with these tires (3-4" as I recall) than under any of my other tow vehicle's axle pumpkins. Larger tires would just be more weight the Jeep's trying to pull, and would put additional stress on the already reinforced rear panel of the trailer tub (which the spare carrier is bolted to). I carry a full-size spare on the trailer so no matter what I'm towing it with, I don't have worry about a matching spare for the trailer. I also carry a spare hub (brake drum) and greased bearings for the trailer's axle.

On the trailer's lid is my RTT. And it isn't really a RTT; it is a double-sized tent-cot from Cabela's that I bolted to the lid (and had an upholstery shop make a cover for). Works fine for me. Figure it weighs about 40lbs ("Real" RTTs weigh over 100lbs). I've spent plenty of nights in it, and slept fine. To get in the tent, you step on the folding aluminum step on the cooler tray (beside the ammo can mounted in front of the cooler), step on the cooler, and then into the tent. You can also open the trailer's lid with the tent opened-up. The cooler usually has a cover on it to keep dirt from being blown into the cooler when traveling on dirt roads (ask me about it when we meet on Monday).


On the outside of the tub I have a cooler strapped-down on the cooler tray up front. The tray is just a narrowed 2" receiver hitch tray. I have two 1.5 gallon Kolpin gas jugs mounted to the tub between the tub and the cooler (originally I had one 4-gallon Kolpin fuel jug there seen in some of the pictures). One of these 1.5 jugs has one gallon of high-test ethanol-free gasoline premixed with oil at a 50:1 ratio for the chainsaw (you can see the chainsaw in the back of the tub in the orange chainsaw bag). There is a 2.5 gallon Jerry can mounted on each side of the tub, a 5lb propane cylinder, a high-lift jack, a shovel, an axe, a 2-gallon water jug inside the spare tire, and the lid is designed to hold four X-Bull traction mats (you can see them mounted on the lid in the picture that also shows the high-lift jack on the passenger side). The X-Bulls are usually in the roof-rack on the TJ; if I'm pulling the trailer with my Willys (like I will be for the Old-School Vehicle WABDR run in September) the X-Bulls will be on the trailer lid. I put LED tail lights (with built-in back-up lights) up high on the tub to protect them. With the trailer being wired for an electric brake controller, I've got an unused always-hot wire on the trailer (currently capped off) that I could use for powering additional camp lighting on the trailer (provided it was attached to the tow vehicle).


There's only so much stuff you can put in the back of a Jeep TJ - even with the back seat removed (and much less in a Willys flat-fender). This trailer allows me to bring a lot more stuff (without going overboard) that allows me to be comfortable when on one of my adventures. This trailer has literally thousands and thousands of miles on it. It has run the Dempster Highway, along with other trips into Canada and Alaska. It crisscrossed the country behind my TJ this past summer and fall (literally; WA to FL to Chicago to southern California [ran Route 66] and then back up to WA - was gone just over a month). My TJ is only a four-cylinder, and it pulls the trailer just fine (nothing a six-cylinder wouldn't make better though). The trailer itself tows like it isn't even there - it rides smoothly and with the longer softer springs and shocks, it takes bounces and off-road just fine. It is a pretty tough little trailer.

The secret to these little trailers is to make the tub tall. Mine is 27" high to the top lip of the tub. It allows me to stack two 8-gallon Rubber Maid Action Packers on top of each other. You'd be amazed at how much stuff you can put inside (and on the outside) of these little 4' trailers. A lot of the trailers based on a WWII trailer theme are only about 18" tall - something to think about.

Here are a bunch of pictures. Please let me know if you have any questions.
That sounds fantastic, cannot wait to see it. My mistake was talking with @Heidi about a trailer and now an indoor shower is a requirement. Hmmmm, might just give me a reason to get the spool gun for welding aluminum! :)
I have a picture or 18 in front of that very sign in Dawson Creek. The AlCan is something everyone should do! Upper BC is out of this world! Rally Point? :)
 

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Who's interested (beside's Greg) in running the Alaska Highway?

I'm a planner. I may also have tossed in a few of my own opinions on this post.

The Milepost book (updated yearly) is literally "the Bible" for anyone traveling in western Canada or Alaska. It is also just a fun book to read and mentally plan different trips in the region. Anyone who knows anything about traveling up there has one. Many book stores sell them, and you can get it on-line. Here's a link:


Here you go: Alaska Highway proposed itinerary (with options). This is a popular bucket-list trip. I've done it, but not all in one trip or in the same vehicle (but my trailer was on all trips). Get out your Milepost book (it will be a requirement for this trip anyways if you don't already have one) and follow along with the maps on the first few pages of the book:

It is about 850 miles from Seattle to Dawson Creek (the start of the Alaska Highway). You can cut some of that time/mileage by starting at Sumas WA and crossing there, but still figure a good 2 to 2.5 days of traveling to get to Dawson Creek. We could plan on everyone initially meeting in Dawson Creek, or cross into Canada and do these 800-something miles as a group (meeting place and time TBD).

For planning purposes for this trip, figure 300 - 400 miles a day driving for estimating days on the road (somedays more; somedays less - of course). It shouldn't be a race - you want to soak it all in.

Advantage of going solo to Dawson Creek:

1. You can set your own itinerary/pace.
2. Don't have to worry about anyone else till you get to Dawson Creek.

Disadvantages:

1. You're kinda on your own. There's traffic out there, but lots of places are pretty desolate if you get stuck.
2. You're less likely to want to camp off-the-grid.
3. You've got to wait for everyone else to show up.

Advantages of doing this stretch as a group:

1. Safety in numbers.
2. You're more likely to be willing to camp off-the-grid.

Disadvantages to doing this stretch to Dawson Creek as a group:

1. It will just take a bit longer (although can be mitigated with someone in charge keeping stop times to a minimum, and having a hard start time every morning & no screwing around).
2. If someone has a major vehicle breakdown, it will delay some if not all of the group to get them to a place they can get repairs done (but again, an advantage if you're the one that breaks down).

There's really not a lot to do or see in Dawson Creek (in my opinion). Photo ops of course, a small museum or two, stock up on food and gas... figure a couple hours in town. Most likely you'll be chomping-at-the-bit wanting to get this show on the road!

So from Dawson Creek to Fairbanks, it is another 1500 miles - figure another 4-5 days driving. The first day or so on the road you'll be like "This is it?", but then after that suddenly it is like "OMG - this is awesome". You might want to spend a day or half-day in Whitehorse (really cool museum in town, and restocking supplies), so possibly add that in. Fairbanks didn't really do much for me when I was there. I mean... spend a day checking it out (it was your end-goal to get there). Others who've been there might have a different opinion.

Much of the Alaska Highway is a lot of wilderness (and places you'll want to stop and take a picture - beautiful scenery) with small towns in between . You might think they are going to be a big town looking at a map, but trust me; some of them are just a gas station and a campground (if you're lucky). Always fill-up on gas when you're in a little town. Get out and stretch your legs. Anyways....

When leaving Fairbanks, you have a couple options:

1. Turn around and go back the way you came (boring - you've just came that way). Round trip to Fairbanks and to get you home would be around two weeks or just over doing an out-and-back. If you crossed into Canada on a Saturday morning (maybe late Friday?), you could possibly be home by Sunday sometime two weeks/16 days later. Some folks are on a time limit and are lucky they can do this much; got-it. See notes at the end of this post about return trip options doing an out-and-back.

2. Run the Dalton Highway (another bucket-list trip for many). In Fairbanks you're already essentially at the start of the Dalton Highway, and you never know when you'll be this far into Alaska again. Figure about another 500 miles each way, so add another 3 (3 would be pushing it) to 4-5 days to the trip. You have to make arrangements to see the ocean at the end - you can't just drive to it. Then to (4.) just below.

3. Drive down to Anchorage. Figure another 350 miles (a long day of driving). You'll want to spend at least a day-or-two in Anchorage - it is a big city. Personally, I'd save an Anchorage trip for another day (so I could add-in driving the Seward and Sterling Highway, and check out Homer). Then drive about 350 miles to Tok (about a long day's drive) on the Glenn Highway and Tok Cutoff.

Another option is to drive from Anchorage to Tok to Haines - about 750 miles or so, and take the ferry from Haines to Bellingham. I've done the Ferry; the Ferry's not cheap, but it makes for an awesome trip. Figure a four-day ferry ride (I forget if 3 or 4 days; might be 3 days up and 4 days back to Bellingham) to get back to Bellingham. The ferry only gets to Haines and leave Haines one day a week, so plan accordingly.

4. Head back down the Alaska Highway from Fairbanks to Tok (about 200 miles). Get off the Alaska Highway at Tok and head north another 75 miles on the Taylor Highway to Chicken (and camp there - kind-of a funky little place), and then take the Top-of-the-World Highway the next morning to Dawson City (about 100 miles). Spend at least one full day in Dawson City. You'll be glad you did - it is a cool western gold-rush mining town. Visit Diamond Tooth Gertie's Saloon while you're there. Get a Hostel room in town so you can clean-up and feel free to walk around town late into the evening after visiting Gerrie's (think 24hr daylight during the summer). There's also a campground outside of town.

Then you have options leaving Dawson City on the Klondike Loop after you've stocked-up on supplies:

1. Run the Dempster Highway all the way to Tuktoyaktuk (at the Beaufort Sea/Arctic Ocean). The Dempster starts about 30 miles out of Dawson City. Figure 600 miles each way on the Dempster, so another 5 (maybe 6) days traveling round-trip. Would add a lot of time to this already long trip. Another bucket-list trip for many. Or you could save it for another day (but don't just say "Next time" - plan on it and do it)! And bring a kayak next time so you can say you kayaked in the Arctic Ocean. Then to (2.) next.

2. Head east/south out of Dawson Creek on the Klondike Loop back to Whitehorse (about 325 miles). You can keep going on the Alaska Highway to Watson Lake (another 200 miles), or stop for the night in Whitehorse and then head-out to Watson Lake in the morning.

Side-trips outside of Whitehorse include Skagway and Atlin.

Once at Watson Lake (just before) you have two options:

1. Just stay on the Alaska Highway the way you originally came; back to Dawson Creek and back home (about 1450 miles or so). It might look different seeing it from the other direction.

2. Instead of staying on the Alaska Highway, head south on the Cassiar Highway (for about 450 miles) to the Yellowhead Highway and on to Prince George (about a 300 mile stretch). Side trips off the Cassiar and Yellowhead include Telegraph Creek (70 miles each way), Stewart Hyder (40 miles each way) or Prince Rupert (150 miles each way).

Once at Prince George, head south on the West Access Route to just before Cache Creek (for about 275 miles) and then take the Sea to Sky Highway to Vancouver Canada (about 200 miles).

Cross back into the USA in Vancouver.

So you can just check-off doing the Alaska Highway and back in about two weeks/16 days, or you can stretch this thing out to 3 - 4 weeks (or more easily). There is no right answer - most folks have time limits they can be gone. Out-and-back would be a glorious trip you would always remember.

If you were doing the out-and-back (as I call it), you could change it up some on the way back (see something different), and instead of taking the Alaska Highway all the way back to Dawson Creek (and then working your way back home), as previously mentioned you could get off just before Watson Lake and take the Cassiar Highway to the Yellowhead Highway, and then take the West Access Route at Prince George all the way to Hope (and then to Vancouver), or before Cache Creek take the Sea to Sky Highway to Vancouver.

Just tossing this out there to see what might be the response, and to get people thinking.

Either way, order a Milepost Book and start dreaming. We are at such an advantage living so close to the start of the Alaska Highway.
 
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Camp showers.

Nothing makes you feel better after wearing the same clothes for a few days and not bathing like a hot shower and clean clothes. Or if nothing else, being able to shampoo your hair.

However, for me space is limited.

I have this camp shower - it takes a little bit to heat up the water, but it works.




I've also got one of those things that attaches to a 2-liter soda bottle that you fill with warm water and hold over your head and it drains out in a shower pattern. It doesn't have the volume or pressure like the Zodi set-up, but is good for a shampoo. The Zodi is better for a full-body shower. I won't be bringing the Zodi on this trip.

I've also got one of those pop-up shower tents things. They fold-up flat into a circle, and it fits nicely in my trailer. You can see it in the picture with the trailer contents (arrow points to it) and a picture of it set-up. Also makes a nice place to put my folding camping toilet. There are lots of options for them out there, from cheap and simple (like mine - it works) to quite nice and more sturdy.


For the kind of overlanding adventures I like to go on (and the kind of trailer I have), these work for me.
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One of my buddies has/had a Zodi and it worked well until the pump seal gave out at camp (after many years service) as I was prepping for a shower. I got a sponge bath instead and it felt GREAT! Since then I have purchased a Camp Chef propane water heater and use a 12v RV water pump to push water through; it will warm cold stream water to more than enough for a great shower. We also use it to wash the dogs and fill the kiddy pool :) I will not be able to bring the shower this time because I have no space for it; would love hot water out of any future trailer.
 
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They sell wall mounted propane units some folks mount in their trailers that I haven't fully researched yet. I have a 5lb propane tank on my trailer.