How bad for your engine to idle for 8 hours?

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Howdy, everyone. My wife and I enjoy car camping, and we have slept in both of our 4Runners. However, living jn Florida, there are several months out of the year it can be pretty miserable, even overnight. So, I have almost talked myself into installing a permanent roof fan (specifically, the MaxxFan). However, in researching alternatives (before I spend $250 and cut a big hole in my 4Runner's roof :P), I found someone mentioning they usually just keep the vehicle running all night if it is particularly hot, so they can simply run the AC. Now, the purist in me raises my nose at this, but the realist in me knows that such a trick would probably help encourage the wife to come out a lot more, which of course means I get to go out a lot more. (Not that she doesnt enjoy camping--she just asked if we could go camping for her birthday this year--but she also sometimes leans pretty hard on her...finer sensibilities... so it can be a tough balance :P ).

In any case, how bad would this be for the engine, really? To be realistic, I would expect even on the extreme end, night-time temps don't exceed perhaps 85 degrees, so this isnt like idling behind a pile-up in 110-degree Texas heat. Still, that is 8 hours of intermittent cooling fan use and probably more dramatic coolant system heat swings than when actually driving.

So, my gut makes me guess that every hour at idle is probably something like a third as hard on the engine as an hour of driving. This would make 8 hours of idling about the equivalent of maybe 150-200 miles of driving (where you might get 500 miles in 8 hours). I imagine this will use perhaps a couple gallons of gas, but still, we probably arent looking at more than perhaps $10 total in fuel and pro-rates engine maintenance expenses. Obviously, $10/night isn't nothing. However, the pragmatist in me is imagining how much easier it might be to sell frequent, fun, and inexpensive overnight or multi-night (read: overlanding :D) summer adventures when I can still advertise cool, sweatless sleeping, heh.

[Her 4Runner is mostly stock, but mine also has a sleeping platform and storage and a swing-out cooler rack, etc. So, otherwise is it pretty comfortable to hang in].
 

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Never tried it but I know from experience that when I’ve been held up on a motorway/freeway in traffic for more than 20-30mins the engine (diesel) runs a bit rough for a while afterwards. This could be some fault unique to mine though. One other thought is where do the fumes go? When the vehicle is in motion they would be dispersed over a large area but would they find their way back into the vehicle. That said there are many fuel heaters or aircon units on the market for that purpose so they must also exhaust fumes.


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Cops do it all the time.

I'm guessing most States and Cities also use a cheap conventional motor oil (not high quality synthetics) .

I wouldn't want to do it myself, but it happens all the time.
 

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Thanks for the thoughts! I indeed hadnt considered fumes! Especially in a group, flooding out the camp with exhaust gases (not to mention engine fan noise and such) would probably be kinda lame, heh.

I do run full synthetic oil, though.
 
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It's increased wear on the engine, sitting and idling. You also run the risk of it overheating and you not being awake to get it shut down before major engine damage is done. The police do it but they aren't asleep (at least not supposed to be) so if something goes wrong, they can take care of the situation and not be trapped in a vehicle fire.

I would look into a good deep cycle battery and isolation system to run a small A/C of some sort or at the very least, a fan in one of the windows.

You might consider also trying to plan your big trips where this would be a bigger issue around the cooler times of the year. Go to the beach when it's sweltering out and sleep in an air conditioned hotel room! That's what we do. Camping is for the spring and fall.
 
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That is a really good point about engine malfunctions. Waking up to an engine barely loping along because it has long-since leaked its coolant and cracked the block would be a nightmare!

And, overall, of course I am aware of how seasons work and don't usually plan week-long camping trips in August heat :P . But, like I said, it might be neat to be able to take late-notice trips "hey, lets go see that space launch!" or "hey, lets go skiing this weekend!" without spending lots extra on rooms.

Thanks again! Especially owing to the malfunction risk, I will be passing on this idea. I looks like a MaxxFan in the roof (a fan with built-in rain shroud) is probably my best choice without sacrificing security (from having a window down with some contraption wedged in it) or safety (running the engine with out monitoring it). At the very least, we'll just keep this trick for emergencies!
 
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What I would be more worried about is exhaust gasses building up inside the cabin and making it a eternal slumber . Why not be super lazy get on Air B&B find a cabin or somewhere that's a good drive away do some day exploring ,stay in the cabin overnight then bounce to the next cabin.
 

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Fumes are probably the biggest concern.
I have a diesel and when it goes into its regen cycle the exhaust gets very hot and posses a fire hazard around grass. Ford doesnt recommend idling it for long periods of time in very cold weather cause the vehicle wont reach proper operating temps for emissions control. Tell that to the people living and working in cold climates and they'll laugh at you, but its in the manual.
I really dont think it would hurt to let a gas engine idle indeffinetly but someone would probably argue. Like others have said, look at upgrading your battery system, get a little a/c unit or Maxxfan and you'll be happy. Plus the increase in battery capacity will help in other upgrades you might wanna do in the future
 
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Is driving a little bit further to somewhere cooler out of the realm of possibilities? I would just be really wary sleeping above a muffler that ran for 8 hours
 

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All valid!

We spend about $10-15k per year traveling, spread between a few trips per year. But, I am just looking into various options to increase the palatability of more regular or last-minute weekend trips / adventures by not having to go into full "camping mode" each time we want to sleep in the 4Runner :) .
 
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@Lindenwood - I would definitely not run a gas engine all night while sleeping. No way. For the reasons stated above; engine problems, potential overheating (more likely when running for hours with the AC on), fumes, etc AND the noise potentially bothering others. I hate when I'm camping and off in the distance somewhere I hear a car or truck idling for long periods.

Police cars do it, sure, but as mentioned, they're awake and they have a support system in place 24/7 to come help if needed. They also usually have more heavy duty engines, alternators, fans and water pumps, etc. AND have regular maintenance crews tend to their vehicles.

I've had great luck with creating an air flow through the vehicle. Even a 12v cigarette lighter fan pushing air out one window with another window cracked or open diagonally opposite. Pulls air in the other window that way. Screens can be made easily that either stay up with magnets or velcro. You also learn to park strategically in the summer so the vehicle is in the shade as much as possible before dark, and that the windshield points away from the sunrise so it doesn't add heat in the morning. You do just the opposite in the winter, of course. Makes a big difference.

I don't think you'll find any AC's that will run on a deep cycle battery, even two deep cycles, but you will find a selection of fans.

OH! Something I use regularly on humid nights, or overly hot desert afternoons when I want to nap, are the Ryobi fans that run on 18v rechargeable batteries. The one I use most is the Ryobi P3320, which will run on rechargeable batteries or AC, so if you're camped somewhere with shore power, you can actually plug the thing in. Has two speeds, can be tilted, and are plenty powerful to blow air across the length of a vehicle. They are part of the wide line of cordless Ryobi tools, of which I have several, so always have a couple batteries charged up and ready to work. Here's a Ryobi Fan, Charger, and Battery bundle.

It's really quite amazing how much more comfortable you can be and how much more easily you can drift off to sleep on a hot night with a little air moving across your skin.


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I have actually been sourcing dual-battery parts so I can install a MaxxFan and not worry about it running for extended periods :) . Spoke to the wife as well and she is also pretty convinced that a decent amount of airflow should be plenty for most trips.

Oh, I actually have several ryobi tools so it might be worthwhile tonknvest in that fan as well!

Good discussion! Thanks everyone for the thoughts.
 
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What about making a "swamp cooler" out of a 5 gal bucket or old cooler. Just do a google search for "diy air conditioner".

Basically a container, block of ice and a small fan (a PC size cpu fan would be fine).

Plug that into your cig lighter or use a back-up motorcycle battery to save cranking battery.
 

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Yep. Car never gets turned off at all. Idles for hours on end if call volume is slow (weekday wee hours). No issues at all.
Ambulances too. I used to think it was the worst thing you could do to an engine. I used to work an event standby job as an on site EMT and would sit in a running ambulance 15 hours at a time. Those rigs were well maintained and would make it past 500,000km before being retired. If an ambulance isn't parked inside, it's generally idling. Most are gas now but the diesel units have a fast idle switched by the parking brake.

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Plenty of good 12v box fans on Amazon. Wire up a couple of always on 12 volt plugs. Get some screens so you can leave your windows cracked and blast away with the 12volt fans. Or worst case get a portable AC unit and run it off of a generator.
 

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I've had a older car from work that used to overheat while ideling stuck in traffic because no windflow.. So I think running it for 8 hours would have that same problem especially if it is already hot.
btw, I wouldn't go for a roof mounted thing any way.. Isn't there an option to replace one of the rear windows? looks like a more sensible option :p
 

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What about making a "swamp cooler" out of a 5 gal bucket or old cooler. Just do a google search for "diy air conditioner".

Basically a container, block of ice and a small fan (a PC size cpu fan would be fine).

Plug that into your cig lighter or use a back-up motorcycle battery to save cranking battery.
If humidity is high they do not work well. So it really depends on your location.
 
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1Louder makes an excellent point about relative humidity reducing efficiency when using the set up I was thinking of. Of course I'm sitting inside my house this morning with a sweatshirt on, socks, and a gas log burning close by! LOL I completely disregarded the "Florida" source of this post... I'll go back to bed now and sleep this humiliation off :)
 
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I did something like that a while back, was out in nature chilling at my favorite spot and let the engine idle for "only" 3 hours, everything worked fine after that and I have a fairly modern-ish diesel engine.

Was only idling for 3 hours because surfing facebook/youtube and it would have been to cold to shut off the engine.