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Hello Overland Bound Members,
Was seeking info on good snow chains for some LT 315/75R16 mud terrain tires.Where to buy?What to look for when buying?Are they even necessary for a mud terrain tire and a 4 wheel drive vehicle? Do you air down when off roading in the snow?
 

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It depends on if your tires are "snow rated". Some mud tires are...some aren't. Regardless, a lot can be said for winter driving skills. I carry chains for all four tires...mostly for solid or black ice conditions and for stopping in those conditions. Yes I do air down for certain winter conditions, but everyone has different opinions on this. I really can't stress practicing winter driving skills enough. I've seen a lot of skilled winter drivers in 2wd vehicles with street tires do just fine in winter conditions.
 
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It depends on if your tires are "snow rated". Some mud tires are...some aren't. Regardless, a lot can be said for winter driving skills. I carry chains for all four tires...mostly for solid or black ice conditions and for stopping in those conditions. Yes I do air down for certain winter conditions, but everyone has different opinions on this. I really can't stress practicing winter driving skills enough. I've seen a lot of skilled winter drivers in 2wd vehicles with street tires do just fine in winter conditions.
What pressure do you air down to when driving in snow? Is there a certain style of chains that you recommend ? Thanks for the help !
 

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What pressure do you air down to when driving in snow? Is there a certain style of chains that you recommend ? Thanks for the help !
You want a nice "footprint"...for me, I run 30x9.50 that have sidewall knobbies...max pressure is 60psi, I find if I air down to about 42 to 40 psi I leave a nice wide footprint with the help of the sidewall knobbies. But, every tire size and style is different. What you want, I believe, is a wider footprint. I use the standard Les Schwab heavy duty truck/suv cables that I bought back in 2007. There are probably better products out there now. But these have worked for me. Also, if I do need to go to chains...I chain up all 4 tires.

There are other members who have more expertise in this area than me. I recommend learning all you can from your brothers out here and using that info to find what works best for your set up.

Happy to help., lol, if I did...I'm no expert.
 
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What pressure do you air down to when driving in snow? Is there a certain style of chains that you recommend ? Thanks for the help !
Depends what is under the snow. Here in Canada, thinner tires and more air =cutting through the snow to the terrain (pavement/frozen dirt) underneath. Think pizza cutter ;) Floating on top is great for sand but not so much for snow.

Ice is a different animal. As others have said, snow tires with the mountain and snowflake logo are the better choice. Chains on ice is like ice skates lol

When I was in the military, tire pressure didn't matter when we used chains. What did matter was speed. We weren't allowed to go more than 40 kph (roughly 25mph).

Although I haven't used chains since 2003 so my information is dated in that regard.

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Hello Overland Bound Members,
Was seeking info on good snow chains for some LT 315/75R16 mud terrain tires.Where to buy?What to look for when buying?Are they even necessary for a mud terrain tire and a 4 wheel drive vehicle? Do you air down when off roading in the snow?
I have the same size tire and have chains, I ordered them off the internet. I don't remember which site, but they were easy to find.

In California during winter conditions you must carrier chains no matter how your vehicle is equiped. They have four classifications for winter driving conditions:
R1 - all vehicles must carrier chains
R2 - 2wd must have chains on, 4wd must be engaged with snow tires
R3 - road closed to 2wd, 4wd must have chains on
R4 - road is closed

R3 is usually skipped and they go to straight to R4.
 
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Hi guys, here's my .02

I live 5/6 months a year in the alps during winter (dec-apr), drive my motorbike there as well with winter tires, and have driven many different vehicles (have been doing this for about 10 years now).

Always have had winter tires, the ones with the little mountain symbol and the snow flake. On the road they have better grip etc. once the temps go under 7c then all weather tires or any thing else.

Don't get me wrong never have drive off road in snow, so no experience there, but on road I've never aired down. Currently drive a RWD and that needs chains on the rear once it really starts snowing, it has no weight in the back at all.

Someone just said about tire width, it's true what actual surface you drive on! Fresh snow on tarmac you want that small width tire (pizza cutter) to cut through to the tarmac, guess it would be the same off road to get to whatever is beneath.
Hard packed snow though, you are better off still with the official winter tires for grip, it's the compound that makes the difference!

For chains there is the always interesting discussion for 4x4, I know for FWD they go on the front, for RWD they go on the back. For 4x4 there is always a different answer. I've had people with 4x4's tell me when it's 40/60 put them on the back, 50/50 need them on all 4 wheels. You'll have to inquire with your official dealer!

Regarding chains, make sure they fit your tire size first of all! Then make sure they are at the correct rating! Our current work van is RWD 8 person Mercedes and therefore needs heavy duty chains (which I would get for any 4x4 anyway)

For the defender we only have 2 chains but only to comply with French law to have them with us in the car!

Hope this helps, but like someone else said as well, I'm not an expert this is just what I know and learned!
 

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Hi guys, here's my .02

I live 5/6 months a year in the alps during winter (dec-apr), drive my motorbike there as well with winter tires, and have driven many different vehicles (have been doing this for about 10 years now).

Always have had winter tires, the ones with the little mountain symbol and the snow flake. On the road they have better grip etc. once the temps go under 7c then all weather tires or any thing else.

Don't get me wrong never have drive off road in snow, so no experience there, but on road I've never aired down. Currently drive a RWD and that needs chains on the rear once it really starts snowing, it has no weight in the back at all.

Someone just said about tire width, it's true what actual surface you drive on! Fresh snow on tarmac you want that small width tire (pizza cutter) to cut through to the tarmac, guess it would be the same off road to get to whatever is beneath.
Hard packed snow though, you are better off still with the official winter tires for grip, it's the compound that makes the difference!

For chains there is the always interesting discussion for 4x4, I know for FWD they go on the front, for RWD they go on the back. For 4x4 there is always a different answer. I've had people with 4x4's tell me when it's 40/60 put them on the back, 50/50 need them on all 4 wheels. You'll have to inquire with your official dealer!

Regarding chains, make sure they fit your tire size first of all! Then make sure they are at the correct rating! Our current work van is RWD 8 person Mercedes and therefore needs heavy duty chains (which I would get for any 4x4 anyway)

For the defender we only have 2 chains but only to comply with French law to have them with us in the car!

Hope this helps, but like someone else said as well, I'm not an expert this is just what I know and learned!
Thanks for the info,How fast can you drive with you're tire chains installed ?


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Yeah..."pizza cutters" were the preferred tires for mud too and still are in some countries (remember military jeeps?) Now...we use wider tires and air them down. I guess it's just personal preference I have never had any issues airing down for snow and ice. I live at the top of a 2 mile hill and this past month I'm driving up that hill (in 4-6" of snow) passing AWD and 4wd vehicles on "pizza cutters" and "all season" tires that are all aired up...(even pulled an AWD Audi up the hill for 1/2 mile). But, then again...experience and driving skills also come into play. Basically, you have to find what works best for you and your vehicle. Same with chains...I have never had an issue with "skating" on ice...in fact quite the opposite. I suppose the conditions are a factor as well. Type of snow, etc. Driving on dry powdery snow for instance is completely different than driving in wet slushy snow. So there are many factors...
 
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Yeah..."pizza cutters" were the preferred tires for mud too and still are in some countries (remember military jeeps?) Now...we use wider tires and air them down. I guess it's just personal preference I have never had any issues airing down for snow and ice. I live at the top of a 2 mile hill and this past month I'm driving up that hill (in 4-6" of snow) passing AWD and 4wd vehicles on "pizza cutters" and "all season" tires that are all aired up...(even pulled an AWD Audi up the hill for 1/2 mile). But, then again...experience and driving skills also come into play. Basically, you have to find what works best for you and your vehicle. Same with chains...I have never had an issue with "skating" on ice...in fact quite the opposite. I suppose the conditions are a factor as well. Type of snow, etc. Driving on dry powdery snow for instance is completely different than driving in wet slushy snow. So there are many factors...
I may have taken more creative liberties than I needed in the term "ice skates" Haha. Then again I've only used chains on larger military vehicles. Thinking back, we only put one chain per axle, alternating left and right. But we're talking federal government and we know their track record on the whole common sense theory [emoji23]

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Thanks for the info,How fast can you drive with you're tire chains installed ?


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I'd say 40 km/h max, pretty much low gear speed! You have to remember that these things are trying to fly off your tire! And if they do they can cause a lot of damage!
I know lots of countries have rules about not just chains but studded tires as well, I know France does, they are trying to protect the tarmac since is isn't very good for it. Imagine what it does to your tires!

Regarding studded tires, I know it's slightly off topic but since it came up now, they are limited to 80 km/h! Studs do go flying out of your tires at higher speeds, even at 80 km/h, and because they heat up can cause tire failure. Also remember that when driving studded tires on tarmac you have way less grip because of the studs!
 
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