OverlandBound_Trolls / overlandbound_fake

[ELY-9999]

I appreciate the honorable and respectful way in which Michael faced the wrath of Social Media as in this overlandbound_fake. The guy identified himself as a "Gate Keeper" of our trails and recreation areas. I for one feel the Jack Ass was the accuser and not the defender. This guy seems to want to limit access as his comment about so many people using our National resources.

Overland Bound & @overlandbound_fake

Some people just can not appreciate guidance, respect and responsibility. Much less being part of a group who live it. My Number is my Badge of Honor Respect and Responsibility, it binds us together as an ever growing group and as our numbers grow, so does our power and influence. I am thankful that I can call on any OB Member for guidance and Support as I embark upon trails unknown.

This "_fake" guy says he had to work to get his trail maps, as if technology like Google Earth should be shut down or something. Since people now see all the available areas for recreation, I am thankful there are resources as well as experienced leaders who can guide me so that I can be an asset rather than a liability.

You are a very Good Man Michael and you shouldn't let the tongue of any who speak evil of you cause you to doubt your sincere motives and respectful participation in trying to do things like Overlanding in a Responsible and Respectful manner. Please don't let this guy get you down, because he is not worth it.

This web site and the resources it has to offer are a bargain at what it cost to be a Member and we must remember that "Membership" keeps out the Rif-Raf, the Nay Sayers and the Scum we choose not to be associated with...

Please also do not bind yourself and us with the commercialism of: Off-Road Business Association (ORBA) I fear they would take away some of our freedoms as well as place burdensome restraints upon all Members.

 

[000]

I appreciate the honorable and respectful way in which Michael faced the wrath of Social Media as in this overlandbound_fake. The guy identified himself as a "Gate Keeper" of our trails and recreation areas. I for one feel the Jack Ass was the accuser and not the defender. This guy seems to want to limit access as his comment about so many people using our National resources.

Overland Bound & @overlandbound_fake

Some people just can not appreciate guidance, respect and responsibility. Much less being part of a group who live it. My Number is my Badge of Honor Respect and Responsibility, it binds us together as an ever growing group and as our numbers grow, so does our power and influence. I am thankful that I can call on any OB Member for guidance and Support as I embark upon trails unknown.

This "_fake" guy says he had to work to get his trail maps, as if technology like Google Earth should be shut down or something. Since people now see all the available areas for recreation, I am thankful there are resources as well as experienced leaders who can guide me so that I can be an asset rather than a liability.

You are a very Good Man Michael and you shouldn't let the tongue of any who speak evil of you cause you to doubt your sincere motives and respectful participation in trying to do things like Overlanding in a Responsible and Respectful manner. Please don't let this guy get you down, because he is not worth it.

This web site and the resources it has to offer are a bargain at what it cost to be a Member and we must remember that "Membership" keeps out the Rif-Raf, the Nay Sayers and the Scum we choose not to be associated with...

“Membership” doesn’t keep out the rig-raf, the only qualifier to become a member is a little money. The “fake guy” wasn’t saying that google earth should be shut down, he was saying that he worked to find out where spots were, studied maps and joined a local 4wd club. It was a lot different than it is now, a video explaining explaining exactly where and how to get to a spot and encouraging anyone and everyone to come use it is how crowds, misuse and closures happen. For example, the amount of people and wads of toilet paper rolling around this year in the Alabama hills is ridiculous compared to a few years ago. His ultimate point that was lost on many was that If you join a volunteer off-road club you would get plenty of help, and go on reasonable scaled trips and not a 40 truck convoy and support an actual cause. The biggest difference is these groups actively fight to keep trails open, take care of trails with plenty of trail work days and spend tons of money to do this, Overland Bound does none of this, the only “cause” is to gain more customers. Most “overlanders” joining the fad will spend their money on a ob badge, skip joining a real 4x4 club that actually keeps the trails open and when they’re done with the fad in a couple years those that have always been 4 wheelers and car campers are left with whatever damage was done. The teasing ig posts about the lame follow the herd one upping “overland” gear like light bars, maxtrax and $275 plow disc cookers is actually pretty funny if you don’t buy into the fad. To me all of this seems pretty easy to grasp, but what do I know I’m just a rif-raf member that had an extra $24.99...

 

[Seannyd]

I am with you. I had to stop watching, I was getting pretty frustrated. Fake seems to think overlandbound just came out of midair with an agenda to make big bucks. Fake doesn’t realize a YouTube channel only becomes successful if it has good content and speaks to people. And even then it takes a long time to get that success.

People want to be a part of something, some people want to be a part of a club some people want to be a part of numerous clubs. Overland bound isn’t taking away from other clubs the way fake seems to think. Considering clubs usually have annual fees and OB has a small join fee which varies depending on whether you want an emblem or 2 or not. I think fake has his own agenda of being a troll and he gets his kicks that way. Nothing one can say or do will change his thought process. (I didn’t watch to the end so I’m not sure if Michael changed fakes thought process, I doubt it)

I’m sorry if this is disjointed but I can’t get my finger (Ipad) typing fast enough to keep up with my thoughts.

Haters going to hate so Michael keep on wearing your funky glasses and overland bound keep on doing your thing. Keep the shiny side up.

 

[Preston Gladd]

The video was just moved to "unlisted" status, but here is what I posted, also posted it in the members only section in "General Discussion", and the only reason I didn't post in the "public" space here was b/c it was publicly viewable on the YT page until they unlisted it.

Being as nice as I can about it, OverlandBound_Fake is simply uneducated. He is selfish and only cares about his personal wants, based on his comments. He made comments like "I don't care about the environment", mentioning that "others" will take care of the environment, and the environmentalists want to stop all "overlanding" / off-roading. After retiring from the military, I am now in my 3rd year of Environmental Studies with a concentration in forestry. So being an "environmentalist" myself, he is completely ignorant to the topic. All of the "topics" he brought up are important ones, but not the way he wants to discuss them, one has to educate themselves before they start demanding change. This is a capitalist society (in the United States) and although we have not fully implemented it, there has been very successful "market based environmentalism". One could argue that OB is a catalyst for a type of free market environmentalism while also enabling "overlanders" to have and enjoy resources through Communication, Conservation, and Education.

All OB_Fake kept saying was, "Well yeah but here's the thing" "I" didn't like new people on the trail, "I" didn't like that someone is defining overlanding in their own terms privately through a legitimate company that is voluntary for people to support (he said it more crudely so I am paraphrasing). Overall I feel that this was productive for the community to be able to understand Michaels more wholistic vision for OB, but in the context of a productive conversation between two people, OB_Fake is unable to be productive based on what he is stating and is blindly selfish and seemed to be mad because he didn't think about doing OB first.
OB_Fake kept trying to throw out "terms" to sound educated, but was using them incorrectly, and then when he was asked to define "overlanding", he said he "couldn't", and that he does not even know if he is an "overlander", but he used to be a rock crawler. He then continued to say how OB was defining "overlanding" was wrong though.

By the end of it, he kept being shot down (about having a badge, supporting local groups etc.) and seemed to be so overwhelmed that he just started agree'ing with Michael, acting like he always agree'ed. He even goes as far as to say "I have several of your badges", and they are " great quality". OB_Fake just wanted his 15 minutes of fame and at the end of the day, when called out, was unable to deliver anything constructive to the conversation of continuing to improve upon our ability to enjoy nature for decades to come.

 

[000]

The video was just moved to "unlisted" status, but here is what I posted, also posted it in the members only section in "General Discussion", and the only reason I didn't post in the "public" space here was b/c it was publicly viewable on the YT page until they unlisted it.

Being as nice as I can about it, OverlandBound_Fake is simply uneducated. He is selfish and only cares about his personal wants, based on his comments. He made comments like "I don't care about the environment", mentioning that "others" will take care of the environment, and the environmentalists want to stop all "overlanding" / off-roading. After retiring from the military, I am now in my 3rd year of Environmental Studies with a concentration in forestry. So being an "environmentalist" myself, he is completely ignorant to the topic. All of the "topics" he brought up are important ones, but not the way he wants to discuss them, one has to educate themselves before they start demanding change. This is a capitalist society (in the United States) and although we have not fully implemented it, there has been very successful "market based environmentalism". One could argue that OB is a catalyst for a type of free market environmentalism while also enabling "overlanders" to have and enjoy resources through Communication, Conservation, and Education.

All OB_Fake kept saying was, "Well yeah but here's the thing" "I" didn't like new people on the trail, "I" didn't like that someone is defining overlanding in their own terms privately through a legitimate company that is voluntary for people to support (he said it more crudely so I am paraphrasing). Overall I feel that this was productive for the community to be able to understand Michaels more wholistic vision for OB, but in the context of a productive conversation between two people, OB_Fake is unable to be productive based on what he is stating and is blindly selfish and seemed to be mad because he didn't think about doing OB first.
OB_Fake kept trying to throw out "terms" to sound educated, but was using them incorrectly, and then when he was asked to define "overlanding", he said he "couldn't", and that he does not even know if he is an "overlander", but he used to be a rock crawler. He then continued to say how OB was defining "overlanding" was wrong though.

By the end of it, he kept being shot down (about having a badge, supporting local groups etc.) and seemed to be so overwhelmed that he just started agree'ing with Michael, acting like he always agree'ed. He even goes as far as to say "I have several of your badges", and they are " great quality". OB_Fake just wanted his 15 minutes of fame and at the end of the day, when called out, was unable to deliver anything constructive to the conversation of continuing to improve upon our ability to enjoy nature for decades to come.

FYI- he has several badges because people who realized ob doesn’t contribute anything to keeping trails open and the forums quickly turned from car camping and 4 wheeling info into 90% lame crap like where you stuck a sticker and whether or not you should carry gas around in your Jerry cans (I personally saw these topics) and sent them to him in exchange for a sticker. Mine’s on the garage floor somewhere I think.

 

[Preston Gladd]

FYI- he has several badges because people who realized ob doesn’t contribute anything to keeping trails open and the forums quickly turned from car camping and 4 wheeling info into 90% lame crap like where you stuck a sticker and whether or not you should carry gas around in your Jerry cans (I personally saw these topics) and sent them to him in exchange for a sticker. Mine’s on the garage floor somewhere I think.

Out of all that, you only comment on the "badge" aspect of what I said? What about the environment?, what about access for EVERYONE to enjoy nature how they see fit, not how HE see's fit?, you can not possibly say that he was not selfish in what he said at least a little bit.

 

[ELY-9999]

“Membership” doesn’t keep out the rig-raf,...

Many successful groups throughout history have charged dues and entry fees just to become part of the movement, like Boy Scouts with patches and badges, Yacht Clubs and even your own local Church. But the Rif-Raf can be expelled and those causing distention, like going against the group's Charter should be removed. There is an acceptable Standard which is drawn up for all Members to follow and for those who want to throw their toilet paper everywhere, they don't have to be a responsible Member of our group. We are often accepted because of our Charter, people read it and know what we stand for as well as against. They will see that we are responsible, respectful and take pride in our Resources to leave them better than how we first found them. It isn't hard and the premise goes back to early Wagon Trains. Some just care enough to do the right thing, while those "Rif-Raf" who refuse to comply will be singled out and National / State privileges revoked, National / State fines issued or maybe even OB Membership lost.

You Sir accuse us for "misuse" and the only crime you can accuse us of is the size of our "Convoy"? We do not leave toilet paper and trash around after we leave...

Your Private Trails are just that "Privately Owned" and can be Governed any way the Owner sees fit, but to refuse an American Private Citizen in good standing or someone from a reputable Club from exercising their right to Public Lands is Criminal. And if you don't like the size of our Convoy, then talk to your Congress and try to get access limited, but don't go around bad-mouthing the very people who are trying to exercise and protect the Freedoms we have.

That "fake guy" did nothing different than any of us have done, we used the resources at hand even if today's technologies make it more available to all and we joined a club. If you like he weren't so selfish in wanting to keep all the trails to yourself then we wouldn't have any issues. The comments about store content isn't worth responding to because it is only for those who want to buy it, you are free to choose. Everyone knows that donations given for the purpose of any good cause usually only gets about 50% from a good Non-Profit, so where does the rest go? Better to apply it yourself and then nothing is wasted, backbone or hauling out trash doesn't require legislation. The term "Non-Profit" is not exactly what the words imply...

So you have made many accusations, but where is your evidence, show me the proof? You know that no court in the Nation will accept "hearsay" as evidence and repeating the words of another or offering your "opinion" is nothing more than "Hearsay".

 

[ELY-9999]

self·ish
ˈselfiSH/
adjective

1. (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
   "I joined them for selfish reasons"
   synonyms: egocentric, egotistic, egotistical, egomaniacal, self-centered, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-seeking, self-serving, wrapped up in oneself;
   inconsiderate, thoughtless, unthinking, uncaring, uncharitable;
   mean, miserly, grasping, greedy, mercenary, acquisitive, opportunistic;
   informallooking after number one

 

[000]

Out of all that, you only comment on the "badge" aspect of what I said? What about the environment?, what about access for EVERYONE to enjoy nature how they see fit, not how HE see's fit?, you can not possibly say that he was not selfish in what he said at least a little bit.

He plainly said that his cause was keeping four wheel drive trails open through supporting actual 4wd clubs that spend time and money on this cause because that was his thing and that other people’s thing was environmental clubs so he was going to let them do their cause while he pursued his. Environmental groups in Ca. Are extremely hardcore about closing trails to vehicles and are always under constant threat of being closed, it would be pretty hard to be a member of a club trying to close trails and another trying to keep them open at the same time. Everyone has access to public lands, but why go out of your way to advertise and promote that it doesn’t matter what you drive and that you need to have an adventure in your Prius. This only encourages people who previously had no real interest in off-roading into wanting to be part of the fad and trashing things for those who will be here when the next cool thing comes along all without spending any time or money on the environment or ohv cause. Real 4wd clubs sponsor trails and have work days cleaning and fixing them up and donating money for materials. OB admittedly does none of this and has had several years to do something and hasn’t. How was this missed?

 

[000]

He plainly said that his cause was keeping four wheel drive trails open through supporting actual 4wd clubs that spend time and money on this cause because that was his thing and that other people’s thing was environmental clubs so he was going to let them do their cause while he pursued his. Environmental groups in Ca. Are extremely hardcore about closing trails to vehicles and are always under constant threat of being closed, it would be pretty hard to be a member of a club trying to close trails and another trying to keep them open at the same time. Everyone has access to public lands, but why go out of your way to advertise and promote that it doesn’t matter what you drive and that you need to have an adventure in your Prius. This only encourages people who previously had no real interest in off-roading into wanting to be part of the fad and trashing things for those who will be here when the next cool thing comes along all without spending any time or money on the environment or ohv cause. Real 4wd clubs sponsor trails and have work days cleaning and fixing them up and donating money for materials. OB admittedly does none of this and has had several years to do something and hasn’t. How was this missed?

I didn’t notice where you were from and maybe it’s different there, but in ca. We have a ridiculous amount of public off-road road trails and arguably some of the best off-roading in the country and it all hangs by a thin militant environmentalist thread. When you grow up spending your time on these trails and notice an extremely dramatic increase in the amount of people from one year to the next and all of the vandalism and trash that goes along with them it strikes a nerve. When you give up on previously quiet spots you used to go because they’ve become crowded with a bunch of those obviously new to off-roading and car camping who are rude and leave a mess or smoldering fires you start to realize that having a business around that is promoting to people that it doesn’t matter what you drive and that you need to have go on an adventure really sucks, especially when they do nothing to give back to the resource they’re profiting from. Ever hear the saying “don’t shit in your kitchen”?

 

[ELY-9999]

This only encourages people who previously had no real interest in off-roading into wanting to be part of the fad and trashing things for those who will be here when the next cool thing comes along all without spending any time or money on the environment or ohv cause. Real 4wd clubs sponsor trails and have work days cleaning and fixing them up and donating money for materials. OB admittedly does none of this and has had several years to do something and hasn’t. How was this missed?

You have no proof that the Members of Overland Bound do nothing to support our Off Roading Resources and to say so would be very presumptuous. What was inferred was that the Web Site / Administrative Branch do not write a check for such activities as the take barely meets the overhead.

Since when is encouraging other to get outside and breathe some fresh air or to see our beautiful Nation a crime??? Besides the "Flatlanders" have their own groups like RV and Van Dwellers...

So when you were a Child, did you share your toys? Didn't your Mother teach you to Share?

 

[ELY-9999]

I didn’t notice where you were from and maybe it’s different there”?

Yes well I saw where CA was having a major Exodus and that homelessness was exploding everywhere, which escalates crime as well as filth and trash. The problem in CA runs much deeper than your Off Road Trails...

 

[ELY-9999]

@000 I have a question for you:

How does one poop on the trails? How deep does a hole have to be? How big of a rock should be placed over it?

 

[000]

Many successful groups throughout history have charged dues and entry fees just to become part of the movement, like Boy Scouts with patches and badges, Yacht Clubs and even your own local Church. But the Rif-Raf can be expelled and those causing distention, like going against the group's Charter should be removed. There is an acceptable Standard which is drawn up for all Members to follow and for those who want to throw their toilet paper everywhere, they don't have to be a responsible Member of our group. We are often accepted because of our Charter, people read it and know what we stand for as well as against. They will see that we are responsible, respectful and take pride in our Resources to leave them better than how we first found them. It isn't hard and the premise goes back to early Wagon Trains. Some just care enough to do the right thing, while those "Rif-Raf" who refuse to comply will be singled out and National / State privileges revoked, National / State fines issued or maybe even OB Membership lost.

You Sir accuse us for "misuse" and the only crime you can accuse us of is the size of our "Convoy"? We do not leave toilet paper and trash around after we leave...

Your Private Trails are just that "Privately Owned" and can be Governed any way the Owner sees fit, but to refuse an American Private Citizen in good standing or someone from a reputable Club from exercising their right to Public Lands is Criminal. And if you don't like the size of our Convoy, then talk to your Congress and try to get access limited, but don't go around bad-mouthing the very people who are trying to exercise and protect the Freedoms we have.

That "fake guy" did nothing different than any of us have done, we used the resources at hand even if today's technologies make it more available to all and we joined a club. If you like he weren't so selfish in wanting to keep all the trails to yourself then we wouldn't have any issues. The comments about store content isn't worth responding to because it is only for those who want to buy it, you are free to choose. Everyone knows that donations given for the purpose of any good cause usually only gets about 50% from a good Non-Profit, so where does the rest go? Better to apply it yourself and then nothing is wasted, backbone or hauling out trash doesn't require legislation. The term "Non-Profit" is not exactly what the words imply...

So you have made many accusations, but where is your evidence, show me the proof? You know that no court in the Nation will accept "hearsay" as evidence and repeating the words of another or offering your "opinion" is nothing more than "Hearsay".

“No court in the nation, blah blah blah”. Ha ha ha!!! Like I said before, you will fit right in here. I asked about having my membership completely deleted awhile ago but someone said it couldn’t be done so I’m gonna just keep pointing out the how lame all of you Sheep are until I get removed. Maybe this will be the last one they let me have? Seems funny that you’re telling me not to bad mouth people while you’re bad mouthing someone else. How about this chief, I bad mouth whoever I want and you do the same.

 

[000]

@000 I have a question for you:

How does one poop on the trails? How deep does a hole have to be? How big of a rock should be placed over it?

Squat and let it go? Does everyone here have to have everything explained? Follow leave no trace principles. Different areas have different policies. The standard policy is to go 100’ from a trail campsite or water source and bury it in a 6-8” hole. I thought you were an “overlander” Why do you not know this? I guess that explains why I see wads of toilet paper on the side of trails, next to creeks and on the edge of campsites. Now you know, you’re welcome.

 

[ELY-9999]

“No court in the nation, blah blah blah”. Ha ha ha!!! Like I said before, you will fit right in here. I asked about having my membership completely deleted awhile ago but someone said it couldn’t be done so I’m gonna just keep pointing out the how lame all of you Sheep are until I get removed. Maybe this will be the last one they let me have? Seems funny that you’re telling me not to bad mouth people while you’re bad mouthing someone else. How about this chief, I bad mouth whoever I want and you do the same.

It is true not only here but everywhere, that no Profile can ever be completely removed.
Ever try to delete a Facebook account or any other profile?

Many of us here are "Sheep Dogs" if you please Sir, we guard and protect the weak and defenseless from the predators of today...

You have made no Valid claims, all you offer is speculation and supposition. You really don't have any evidence of any Crimes committed. The only Crime I see is that of your own unmerited defamation, which is punishable by Law...

 

[000]

Yes well I saw where CA was having a major Exodus and that homelessness was exploding everywhere, which escalates crime as well as filth and trash. The problem in CA runs much deeper than your Off Road Trails...

You are 100% correct, it’s sad but true. The great state I was born and raised in has been circling the drain and it’s only getting worse. I will not be staying longer than I have to. Fortunately there are some states not too far away that have plenty of new public trails to explore and without the government kooks we have running this place into the ground. Want to buy a house?

 

[ELY-9999]

Squat and let it go?

Then how long does it take for a Coyote to dig it up at 6-8" ?
I don't imagine very long at all, so some of that TP you see on your trails could be your very own.

"Pack it in / Pack it out"? It has become apparent that burying is not sustainable anymore, especially in the manner you prescribe. Better to poop in a few grocery bags, wrap it in another, then another and maybe another and finally take it out with you when you leave and dispose of it properly. Now that is Sustainable...

 

[000]

You have no proof that the Members of Overland Bound do nothing to support our Off Roading Resources and to say so would be very presumptuous. What was inferred was that the Web Site / Administrative Branch do not write a check for such activities as the take barely meets the overhead.

Since when is encouraging other to get outside and breathe some fresh air or to see our beautiful Nation a crime??? Besides the "Flatlanders" have their own groups like RV and Van Dwellers...

So when you were a Child, did you share your toys? Didn't your Mother teach you to Share?

I didn’t say that members never donated to off-road resources. I did say that ob meaning the company does not. I didn’t realize you had access to their financials and how ridiculous of me for assuming that they could afford to give a little back to the resource that supports their business. It’s pretty common for that type of thing to happen, but obviously not here. I guess the community that is mentioned all of the time in ob posts is an extremely small circle. I don’t have to want to share. I don’t have to like that the quiet places I used to camp are crowded and trashed because of a fad. I can tell everyone I want that I don’t like it and why. You don’t have to like it and I don’t care. That’s a lie, I think it’s funny but I guess I wouldn’t necessarily call it caring so yeah, I don’t care if you like my point of view.

 

[000]

Then how long does it take for a Coyote to dig it up at 6-8" ?
I don't imagine very long at all, so some of that TP you see on your trails could be your very own.

"Pack it in / Pack it out"? It has become apparent that burying is not sustainable anymore, especially in the manner you prescribe. Better to poop in a few grocery bags, wrap it in another, then another and maybe another and finally take it out with you when you leave and dispose of it properly. Now that is Sustainable...

You asked how to do this and I told you that different areas have different policies but what the standard leave no trace policy is. I guess you missed that part. A lot of areas do have a pack it out policy, I haven’t been to one of those areas, but they do make special bags for that. Personally I dig a much deeper hole than 8”(why not?) and I suppose a coyote could dig a foot down to eat what’s left of last nights dinner but that’s just what I do. Leaving a pile 6’ from the trail with a wad of paper tucked under a little rock isn’t even trying. God I hope I’ve effectively explained how to do this well enough this time for you to handle it on own. Please don’t ask for pictures or I’m gonna think you’re not right.