Has overlanding become elitist ?

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Dave K said:
I am enjoying watching this the wheels wobble on this thread. They’ll come off soon enough. :joycat:
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It's a track that has crossed all over the place and back over itself, gone down half a dozen bunny trails, got back on track and off again, and has been full of side convos like a dinner party with too many cocktails.
A great deal of these forum threads seem to be like that.

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Viking1204 said:
Awesome post LOL! You said pretty much what I'm thinking when it comes to Elitism! For the very same reason I won't buy a Yeti unless by some amazing sale it comes down in price to what other coolers made like it sell for. I still probably won't buy one just because of the way they overpriced their coolers and all their other products. They claim to appeal to the outdoorsman but I know many who can't afford their over priced products. I did discover RTIC and have been buying their coolers, I've also seen Igloo with some good coolers priced fairly!
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Yup, I'm still considering a thermoelectric cooler simply because Truckers buy them frequently. I have talked to a few and they were happy with them. Of course they have refrigerated cabs and store them in the sleeping compartment out of any direct light. I know some are almost junk in the $100 price range but I have been checking out the $200 range and many have 4 to 4 1/2 star ratings. I don't want a freezer but I do want it to keep food stuff safely cool.(I'm told below 40 degree or less above zero). I don't drink beer, sodas are not on my menu.(diabetic) Cold water for my cool aid is. Coffee is my vise so I like a little flavored creamer. With my Scamp I have no worry its a three way ref., I am only concerned with the boondocking vehicle having some kind of decent cooler. Because I know how you scrutinize things so well, I will be following you along on your builds with interest. If a compressor type cooler comes along at the right price (new or used) of course I would buy it. I might even consider the upright ref with a freezer section that sells for under $200.
 
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Road said:
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It's a track that has crossed all over the place and back over itself, gone down half a dozen bunny trails, got back on track and off again, and has been full of side convos like a dinner party with too many cocktails.
A great deal of these forum threads seem to be like that.

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I like to see respect given where respect is earned. You and your rig are a perfect example of self accomplishment. I think you have been an inspiration for a whole bunch of us. The one thing I know about you is that you are a doer, not a talker, and you write good too. Thumbs up..
 
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John D. said:
They got popular by people with pretty good size budgets, then parts costs skyrocket because a lot of people can afford it, and the little guys like me get left out.
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Actually, nothing elite about it. It is called going into debt. Home Equity loans, VISA and financing thru the vender,, plus leasing the truck. We could ALL go there if out ego was bigger than our wallet. But me, I like shopping in garage sales for my overlanding supplies. Way more fun.
 
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I like to see respect given where respect is earned. You and your rig are a perfect example of self accomplishment. I think you have been an inspiration for a whole bunch of us. The one thing I know about you is that you are a doer, not a talker, and you write good too. Thumbs up..
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Thanks, Jim!
 
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Actually, nothing elite about it. It is called going into debt. Home Equity loans, VISA and financing thru the vender,, plus leasing the truck. We could ALL go there if out ego was bigger than our wallet. But me, I like shopping in garage sales for my overlanding supplies. Way more fun.
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I agree.

Debt, I have no use for debt. Everything I have is paid for. Haven't had a credit card or bank loan in over thirty years. If I don't have the money in my pocket, i don't buy it.

I've said it elsewhere recently in these threads - there's a ton of great gear out here that's hardly been used, that's available cheap from folks who blinged up their rigs before finding out they wanted some other type of gear, or that they really don't like camping, or that their partner would rather have an RV, AC, and TV. Other gear for sale cheap because, well, life happens and a new kid comes along, or big career change, etc. Point is, you really shouldnt have to hock your first born child to get rigged up.

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There are many strong opinions here, which is fine. We don't have to agree. Keep it respectful, and keep name-calling out of it.

Opinion: Keeping places secret is a short-term vision. You can't. You won't. You'll die on that hill. It's not Instagram, or Facebook, or Google Earth or <insert whoever you want to blame> that is impacting our public lands. Its population density and technology. You can't stop either.

Adventure is necessary. The activity we all enjoy is vital to human health, and you can't take that away from people. Public lands are public lands. We protect our lands FOR the people, not FROM the people. So what do we do?

Education is a long term vision. Education is harder than blaming Instagram, but essential. We have to continue to make the conversation about proper land use a vital part of overlanding and adventure travel. You want adventure? Great. It's your responsibility to educate yourself on proper land use, environmental preservation, and share that information. Leave it better than you found it.

Good news? Overland Bound as a community makes a positive difference. I personally receive countless accounts of Overland Bound members who live by our principles and act as an example to others who simply don't know any better, and we'll continue to improve messaging and our programs.

More good news? Young folks seem to get it without all the unnecessary dialogue and finger pointing. It's a natural part of being responsible, which means messaging and education is having a real impact on younger generations. That's good. That's sustainable.

All the other stuff in this thread about what people spend? Who cares? It's not your money. Worry about your own wallet. Personally, I don't spend much. My rig has been the same since 2010 (engine notwithstanding *cough*), but that doesn't mean I begrudge the guy who decides to spend 80 grand. Why would I? You can overland for $100 or $1MM. Is overlanding expensive? Yeah. If you want it to be.

No name calling guys. Keep it respectful.

M
 
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Lanlubber said:
Yup, I'm still considering a thermoelectric cooler simply because Truckers buy them frequently. I have talked to a few and they were happy with them. Of course they have refrigerated cabs and store them in the sleeping compartment out of any direct light. I know some are almost junk in the $100 price range but I have been checking out the $200 range and many have 4 to 4 1/2 star ratings. I don't want a freezer but I do want it to keep food stuff safely cool.(I'm told below 40 degree or less above zero). I don't drink beer, sodas are not on my menu.(diabetic) Cold water for my cool aid is. Coffee is my vise so I like a little flavored creamer. With my Scamp I have no worry its a three way ref., I am only concerned with the boondocking vehicle having some kind of decent cooler. Because I know how you scrutinize things so well, I will be following you along on your builds with interest. If a compressor type cooler comes along at the right price (new or used) of course I would buy it. I might even consider the upright ref with a freezer section that sells for under $200.
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I have a thermal electric fridge cooler I'm on the fence with it makes alot of racket has even froze up on me and quit cooling so I only keep wat
 
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Michael said:
There are many strong opinions here, which is fine. We don't have to agree. Keep it respectful, and keep name-calling out of it.

Opinion: Keeping places secret is a short-term vision. You can't. You won't. You'll die on that hill. It's not Instagram, or Facebook, or Google Earth or <insert whoever you want to blame> that is impacting our public lands. Its population density and technology. You can't stop either.

Adventure is necessary. The activity we all enjoy is vital to human health, and you can't take that away from people. Public lands are public lands. We protect our lands FOR the people, not FROM the people. So what do we do?

Education is a long term vision. Education is harder than blaming Instagram, but essential. We have to continue to make the conversation about proper land use a vital part of overlanding and adventure travel. You want adventure? Great. It's your responsibility to educate yourself on proper land use, environmental preservation, and share that information. Leave it better than you found it.

Good news? Overland Bound as a community makes a positive difference. I personally receive countless accounts of Overland Bound members who live by our principles and act as an example to others who simply don't know any better, and we'll continue to improve messaging and our programs.

More good news? Young folks seem to get it without all the unnecessary dialogue and finger pointing. It's a natural part of being responsible, which means messaging and education is having a real impact on younger generations. That's good. That's sustainable.

All the other stuff in this thread about what people spend? Who cares? It's not your money. Worry about your own wallet. Personally, I don't spend much. My rig has been the same since 2010 (engine notwithstanding *cough*), but that doesn't mean I begrudge the guy who decides to spend 80 grand. Why would I? You can overland for $100 or $1MM. Is overlanding expensive? Yeah. If you want it to be.

No name calling guys. Keep it respectful.

M
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