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I'm going to encourage you to go back and read my first post as many times as it takes to understand it, because clearly you don't at this point.

LOL, brand snobbery and bad recommendations all wrapped in one. In their defense howeverII ccan oonly assume that they in turn assumed you were.... you know... nudge, nudge,.... special, since you were building a Land Rover on a budget

Yes, when I say "board members" I am referring specifically to members of the message board, Overland Bound members explicitly

Cigars no, although I have in the past. Pipe? Yes, daily. I just don't have the time to slot to burn a cigar, and it doesn't matter the cigar I can't go with a relit cigar (that has been out for any appreciable period)

Yes. The failure to provide context leads to a bunch of squabbling. In the case of the OP they very much may not possess to ask a better question, or they may just be lazy. I'm saying that when someone makes a post like that instead of rushing to answer the question,first ask for context...

LOL, your sarcasm doesn't go unrecognized, but that isn't really consistent with my goal.

If people keep riding their egos around like a stick pony it will surely. I didn't post this to give peopleaa oplatform to declare how much OB sucks, I posted it because I like OB and want it to be a better place. If that's not what you're looking for just move on.

I posted this thread with the hopes and expectation that we can bring some clarity to these issues, assuage some of the anger, and emerge better for it. I see some people making an effort to do that,II hope it is contagious, and I appreciate your participation.

I don't think you understand my post. In no way am I suggesting that people should not ask questions, ever, nor am I saying that anyone should be excluded, ever. What I AM saying is that when a question is asked that is so abundantly broad that in fact it cannot be answered, that an effort...

This post clearly illustrates the importance of proper punctuation.

I think everybody should keep their "rants" to themselves, or at least to a minimum. If sharing your knowledge and experience is best described as a rant, then maybe just adjust your delivery vehicle a little. I've already said it,I'm as guilty as anyone and I think much of it is just...

I'm just going to say that some of the most meaningful things that have occurred in my life, have been due to a strangers benevolence. "Do right, and fear no man". There are legitimately very few things that I "fear", but many things I am cautious of, chief among them is karma.

Show and tell is part of every hobby group I've ever been exposed to. And in each of them (shooting in particular) there is a contingent that spend oodles of money on equipment but possess none of the skills needed to employ them. I'm as blue collar as they come, but I had parents who guided me...

Hmmm, this thread isn't going exactly as I had hoped, but maybe we can get some of this out of the way and move on.

I get what you're saying, but without knowing you any more than what I have read here, I don't believe that you would drive right on by. I think you would help, because that is the right thing to do. I'm extending that confidence based on nothing more than what I've read here, and my withering...

I'm certainly not saying that people should not ask questions. I AM saying that context should be provided, and answers should be consistent with context. Lacking context, if any answer is correct, nobody will ever know it.

My experience is slightly different

Overland Bound, founding principles, item number one. Pretty straight forward, and clearly of good intent. For the record I don't think "Overlanding" CAN be defined beyond that. Now here we are today. the hobby having enjoyed exponential growth over the last few years, this forum being...

That's sort of correct. Until it rains.

Like a flooded creek or river in a valley? Or the mud bog that is left in the floods aftermath? There are lots of obstacles you can't effectively navigate around. Having a winch dramatically reduces the quantity of those things.