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JDGreens

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We are talking about on the FS roads...

By the way there is a speed limit on mountain roads... or at least here in Oregon... it’s called the Basic Law... and rangers have the right to pull you over and issue a citation for breaking the Basic Law.
Yeah, trails here in Colorado the speed limit is 20 mph. Where as those forest roads I think you can go quite a bit faster. But don't take what I'm saying as gospel on that.
 
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I guess that's very true have you gone over the same old road kind of hard to see new things.
Most of the times, just wanting to get to a certain point of the trail to set-up camp or lunch, or through the less scenic areas of a trail. (Were as if you have never traveled the trail you might not want to hurry. Very seldom is a slower pace an issue for me. On the other hand a faster pace can be too fast for some people in the group. (That's were coms can be helpful. ( hey we are taking pics and will catch up).

One example if you are running the Rim Rocker trail (From Montrose Co. To Moab Utah) you usually would be planning on camping somewhere in between. So there is some urgency to get far enough, early enough too camp. The trail is not much more the a dusty dirt road most of the time, (sticky red dirt) and you may be traveling at speeds near 40-50 miles per hour at times, The other big deal is that traveling on a road like this you have to leave enough space between rigs. My e-fan got very dirty and became so imbalanced that I thought the bearings where shot the next day, found that I just needed to wash the dirt away.

I finally did my first solo trip. It was just an overnighter, the nice thing about being alone, it's easier to navigate trails ,pass people, move over for people exc. I think I'm going to go on as many trips as I can next summer. I know it's safer to be in groups but, I think it would be nice to have my own agenda, especially when others aren not able to go.
That could be true. I haven't experienced the same trail more than once everything's been new. Now they're have been several trails that had forks and only on a few occasions because of dead ends I have gone down both forks. But there have been several trails that I only took one route so if I ever came back I probably would hurry to that fork and take the other trail only time will tell.
That's definitely true I think 100% cuz every trail I done has always been new to me now if I come back to some of these cuz I didn't take a certain fork in the road I would probably go as fast as I could to get to that fork and take the one I didn't go down the first time
 

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If I'm a camper, I could care less. If I'm a commuter rhe guy in never never land is a pos. Fine if you want to take in the sights but use those freaking mirrors and have the courtesy to pull over or really slow down on the passing zones to let the pile of traffic behind you past. The worst offenders of common courtesy ride Harleys. I live in the worlds best country for bikers and trust me, HDs corner worse than any RV or Semi but they love to crack the throttle on the straights..... then ride like its a school zone when the road turns.

Next worse driver are the guys towing that $70K trailer but too cheap to buy legal mirrors. Totally obliviousto the world behind them.

If you are in a hurry, I'll help you pass. If you are in never never land........ unfortunately most of the tourists thru BC think we are all on a holiday.
 

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If I'm a camper, I could care less. If I'm a commuter rhe guy in never never land is a pos. Fine if you want to take in the sights but use those freaking mirrors and have the courtesy to pull over or really slow down on the passing zones to let the pile of traffic behind you past. The worst offenders of common courtesy ride Harleys. I live in the worlds best country for bikers and trust me, HDs corner worse than any RV or Semi but they love to crack the throttle on the straights..... then ride like its a school zone when the road turns.

Next worse driver are the guys towing that $70K trailer but too cheap to buy legal mirrors. Totally obliviousto the world behind them.

If you are in a hurry, I'll help you pass. If you are in never never land........ unfortunately most of the tourists thru BC think we are all on a holiday.
Exactly I know I get a few vehicles behind me before I'm able to get over but I always do
 

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Slow down. Take a deep breath, and slow down... that epic camp site will still be there 10 minutes later... speed up and you may never see it... those guys that about killed my wife and I on a blind corner.... well they crashed head on into the guy behind me who was in such a hurry to pass me he didn’t look to see why I pulled over. That ruined our trip...
That is a shame that it ruined your trip.

From my perspective the two of them meeting that way is a perfect match.
 
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Rv'ers with sagging suspensions and bouncy unsafe overloaded tow vehicles are my pet peeve.

Pirate parades kinda suck.

Prius owners actually use a checklist to make sure they complete ever single possible annoying nuisance every single drive. They have to get in your way and ruin the flow of traffic, otherwise nobody would see them virtue signaling.

Bicyclists on the road, when there's perfectly good mountain trails everywhere around here for them.

Amish in jet black buggies, on a jet black road, up before sunrise, on a hilly 65mph road, in the fog. Their horse knows better than they do.

I have no issues with high performance cars or bikes, or their speed, as long as they stay 100% in their lane, and not in mine.
 

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How about the group of people who stop in the trail, completely blocking it for either a 20 min rest or lunch. Picture a group of 25 vehicles and the trail leader decided to stop for lunch in the middle of a trail. Everyone is out of their vehicles. No one moved to the side so traffic could still flow. When I confronted the group, I was treated like I shouldn't have been there to begin with. That was the largest group. Last fall a group of 5 on the Mojave road parked two across making me back up and go off the trail to get around them. They wanted to argue when I just mentioned that there was traffic on this route. I see this more now then ever. New groups of clueless off roaders some of which act entitled.

I can go on and on about this but that wont change anything.
 

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@smritte yea that drives me nuts, I am generally far away from any one but every now and then you get a group like that.

My biggest gripe is smokers who feel that having an ashtray is wrong and flick butts, and ashes out the window. I could care less if they smoke but damm keep it the truck or car until you can safely dispose of it
 

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How about the group of people who stop in the trail, completely blocking it for either a 20 min rest or lunch. Picture a group of 25 vehicles and the trail leader decided to stop for lunch in the middle of a trail. Everyone is out of their vehicles. No one moved to the side so traffic could still flow. When I confronted the group, I was treated like I shouldn't have been there to begin with. That was the largest group. Last fall a group of 5 on the Mojave road parked two across making me back up and go off the trail to get around them. They wanted to argue when I just mentioned that there was traffic on this route. I see this more now then ever. New groups of clueless off roaders some of which act entitled.

I can go on and on about this but that wont change anything.
That happened to me one day! On a very popular trail, a group of people were geo-cashing and parked about 4 vehicles in the middle of the trail to run up a hill to find something, crazy how people disregard others?
 
No one is annoying or acceptable. Awareness and defensive driving are your own responsibility.
On the trail, following basic trail etiquette, it's the same thing.

Motos, bicycles, horses, hikers all have the exact same rights as you or me.
I see them all equally, with the right-of-way circle deferring to footbound, etc.

On the road, I defer to those whose job is to be there- that means some courtesy to truckers, who are delivering goods we all depend on.

The whole point is to enjoy the drive, so enjoy it.
That's 100% in your control.

Speed is a danger to others. Self inflicted is one thing-more power to you, but when you expose others, that's the only problem on the trail.
twisting fireroads are usually the most dangerous because idiots speed through blind curves and cut corners.
The obstacle isn't the trail, it's the oncoming traffic. If a car or awd can drive it, be careful.

If someone is slow on the trail and refuses to pull over (rare, i'm struggling to think when this happened to me, unless I come up behind a group)
I just pull over at a good view and wait. Groups usually let me by when they can. It's never a big deal.
 
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i can't count how many times someone was riding my ass and then pass me, making sure to immediately cut in front as close as they could to let me know just how upset they were that i was in their way and they disappear down the road only to have me pull right up behind them at a red light a few minutes later....or go around a corner a few miles down the road and there's the guy stopped by a flagger for road construction and i spend the next 10 minutes smiling at him in his rear view mirror as we both sit idle. :grinning:
 

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i can't count how many times someone was riding my ass and then pass me, making sure to immediately cut in front as close as they could to let me know just how upset they were that i was in their way and they disappear down the road only to have me pull right up behind them at a red light a few minutes later....or go around a corner a few miles down the road and there's the guy stopped by a flagger for road construction and i spend the next 10 minutes smiling at him in his rear view mirror as we both sit idle. :grinning:
This reminds me of a few weeks ago while traveling the interstate I was passed by a car while I was doing 5 over the speed limit in the slow lane and still slightly slower than the semi in front of me. This car flew up behind me. Honked several times, then sped off past me flipping me and the trucker the bird as they sped around us... 10 minutes down the road there he was with a Smokey in cuffs... idk if they were looking for him, or what the story was, but I laughed inside Whalen I saw him.
 

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Huge per peeve for me. Hands down, the guy going too fast. He almost went over the edge in a place where he'd have been certain to roll his vehicle when he met me on that blind curve. I ended up in the inside ditch. At least he stopped to make sure I could get back out, apologized and admitted he was a "moron". I accepted the apology but didn't argue with his self-assessment.

With that said, a little consideration and patience goes a LONG way. If someone is behind me, I pull over and let them by and if someone slower is in front of me, a little couple deep breaths and a little patience until they can pull over safely for their vehicle.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but "race", "hurry", "deadline", and "schedule" aren't words I associate with overlanding.
Couldn't agree more! Just happened to me a couple days ago while driving through the Ozark National Forest in Arkansas. I was there driving the bends at the proposed speed limit and on one blind curve, there comes this guy going too fast and trying to hug the wall because he's about to veer off the ledge. He was going too fast and pulled the wheel too much that he came right into my lane almost hitting me dead on.... missed front end by about 2 feet. I almost hit the rocks on my side of the road and he almost rolled down the very steep hill.

Slow down on blind curves.....its only an extra couple of seconds or even minutes in the long run.
 
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Slow down. Take a deep breath, and slow down... that epic camp site will still be there 10 minutes later... speed up and you may never see it... those guys that about killed my wife and I on a blind corner.... well they crashed head on into the guy behind me who was in such a hurry to pass me he didn’t look to see why I pulled over. That ruined our trip...
It wasn't about slow down. It was a complete stop before each water crossing. It was a remote area with no cell service. He if wasn't comfortable with water crossings in the middle of the Adirondacks he shouldn't have been there. It's not like I was doing 50. I may have wanted to go 15 while he was going 4.
 
yup.
This is the kind of stuff that should not happen on the trail.
It's unacceptable behavior, but smritte is right, won't change anything. Just like garbage at campsites.

That happened to me one day! On a very popular trail, a group of people were geo-cashing and parked about 4 vehicles in the middle of the trail to run up a hill to find something, crazy how people disregard others?
How about the group of people who stop in the trail, completely blocking it for either a 20 min rest or lunch. Picture a group of 25 vehicles and the trail leader decided to stop for lunch in the middle of a trail. Everyone is out of their vehicles. No one moved to the side so traffic could still flow. When I confronted the group, I was treated like I shouldn't have been there to begin with. That was the largest group. Last fall a group of 5 on the Mojave road parked two across making me back up and go off the trail to get around them. They wanted to argue when I just mentioned that there was traffic on this route. I see this more now then ever. New groups of clueless off roaders some of which act entitled.

I can go on and on about this but that wont change anything.
 

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Always trying to flow with the traffic, most of the times it's slower on scenic roads anyway.
 

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I’m not sure what the OP means by “ owning the road”. I’ve always driven as if I own the road, or at least the real estate I occupy while on the road. It is, the very safest way to drive and my record would indicate that. 3.2 million miles, one moving violation, zero accidents. Not bragging, just the facts. I was a Smith System Safe Driver Instructor. Ive adhered to this method of driving even before I knew it was a method/system as I began transporting registered show livestock at the age of 16. BTW, I always have and always will pull over for anyone that wants to travel faster, unless I’m doing well over the speed limit and progressively passing traffic. In that case, too bad. Tail gate me all you want, I’ll hit the brakes during a moment of your distraction. Forest Roads?? Slow down for Pete’s sake, enjoy the view and leave the rat race for just a bit eh? What’s the point if you bring the race with you?
 
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