Tires

[That_kl_cherokee]

Hey everyone I’m going to be running the scorpion at tires just wondering if anyone has ran them before pros and cons. What cheap tires would you recommend and why? I’m not looking for outrageous prices like BFGOODRICH but lower like 200 a tire max. Keep in mind I’m only starting out doing this on a budget and can currently run 235/65/17 that I know of and I’ve heard on forums I can run a 245/65/17. Cheers

 

[Red_Leaf_Overland]

falcon tires seem to be fairly popular around that size. I looked into them for the compass but havn't pulled the trigger yet. i love the goodyear duratracs but I don't think you can get them in a size that small.

 

[Billiebob]

Tire pricing is directly related to tire size, a 30/9.50R15 is much less wxpensive than a 33/10.50R15.

Tire quality is also often related to price, a $200 33/12.50R16 might not be as durable as a $300 33/12.50R16.

Why jump from 235 to 245...... they are virtualy the same tire.

 

[MOAK]

Not a fan of cheap tires. You do get what you pay for. I run BFGs & Generals on two different vehicles. My wife’s car has cheapo tires and they will be replaced ASAP. For me it all boils down to cost per mile and safety. Expensive “ brand name “ tires are always less expensive per mile. That and the fact that I haven’t had a tire failure in over 30 years.

 

[MazeVX]

I would take a look at Atturo trailblade XT.
They get mixed reviews but I also know lots of people who really dislike bfg ko2 so I would give them a try.
They are available in your size and priced around 163$ each at discount tire.
Going cheap with tires might not always be ideal but I understand your intentions.

 

[El-Dracho]

I am not a fan of cheap tires. The tire is my only contact with the road and I must be able to rely 100% on it. Also, I do not want to experiment and then maybe stand there with a flat tire somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I have had - knock on wood - exactly one flat tire in about 25 years with brand-name tires on cars and motorcycles. And this one flat tire was due to a big fat nail in a street-oriented motorcycle tire. In addition, they should last a long time. What use is it to me if I buy cheap tires but have to change them more often? Since I like to spend a little more money.

But even with brand tires there can be significant price differences. An example. I have driven a long time BFG MTs. Now I am already on the 2nd set on Toyo MTs on the road and am very satisfied with the tire. Regardless, I was able to buy the Toyos so much cheaper that I got 5 tires instead of 4 for about the same amount, pretty much the equivalent of a spare. But I must also say that the Toyos last me a little less than the BFGs.

 

[MMc]

I hate cheap tires, I did a trip with the tires that the rig came with, (Not a premium) It is known as the tire trip. Put holes in all 5 tires and had to replace one on that trip. At one point I had flats on 2 tires at the same time. I no longer use anything but a very good tires. There plenty of great tires out there.

 

[smritte]

I have never run a Pirelli tire and I didn't know they had an AT tire.
I went to their site, they showed an AT and an AT plus. The AT plus doesn't look too bad but the Pirelli site has no real info on the tire construction. They are snow rated though. The standard AT page had an error and didn't show.
If your going cheap, stay with name brands. Pirelli is suppose to make a decent street tire. I'm sure their AT+ will be at least ok. The off brands tend to have balance issues from poor construction. this causes suspension and tire wear.
Out here we have a ton of sharp rocks. I need to run real strong sidewalls even on regular dirt roads. The less expensive tires tend to have soft sidewalls and I destroy them here. I cant say what the roads are like where you live.

 

[Camguti]

Hey @That_kl_cherokee,

I agree with the warning from the thread. Cheaper tires can really ruin your day and much more.
Take a look at Kenda Klever RT’s. They are a quality tire at a good price point. This is my second set of Kenda’s and I came from Falken Wildpeak AT3W’s. They may not have the extract size your looking for but I’d consider them still… like they don’t make a 285/75/17 but they make 33/10.5/17 (slightly narrower) and 33/12.5/17 (slightly wider).


Good luck with your tires,
Cam

 

[That_kl_cherokee]

Tire pricing is directly related to tire size, a 30/9.50R15 is much less wxpensive than a 33/10.50R15.

Tire quality is also often related to price, a $200 33/12.50R16 might not be as durable as a $300 33/12.50R16.

Why jump from 235 to 245...... they are virtualy the same tire.

I currently ride well this is before doing the pinchweld mod on my Cherokee after that I should be able to run 250 or 255 I can’t really afford top of the line tires right now but I do want to be able to continue to off-road still I was saying about tire size because some companies only go so small

 

[That_kl_cherokee]

I am not a fan of cheap tires. The tire is my only contact with the road and I must be able to rely 100% on it. Also, I do not want to experiment and then maybe stand there with a flat tire somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I have had - knock on wood - exactly one flat tire in about 25 years with brand-name tires on cars and motorcycles. And this one flat tire was due to a big fat nail in a street-oriented motorcycle tire. In addition, they should last a long time. What use is it to me if I buy cheap tires but have to change them more often? Since I like to spend a little more money.

But even with brand tires there can be significant price differences. An example. I have driven a long time BFG MTs. Now I am already on the 2nd set on Toyo MTs on the road and am very satisfied with the tire. Regardless, I was able to buy the Toyos so much cheaper that I got 5 tires instead of 4 for about the same amount, pretty much the equivalent of a spare. But I must also say that the Toyos last me a little less than the BFGs.

. So that’s what I was wondering because where I am for bfg tires in my size it’s almost 300 dollars a tire that’s for the ko2 I want to get a good brand but that’s cheaper maybe 200 dollars a tire (CDN) that’ll last a bit so I’m not running bald tires on the road and on trails something decent to get me to summer at least till I can afford top of the line tires

 

[Advtres]

. So that’s what I was wondering because where I am for bfg tires in my size it’s almost 300 dollars a tire that’s for the ko2 I want to get a good brand but that’s cheaper maybe 200 dollars a tire (CDN) that’ll last a bit so I’m not running bald tires on the road and on trails something decent to get me to summer at least till I can afford top of the line tires

Sometimes Craigslist has tires ( as I had recently sold a set there) - just an option.

 

[NMBruce]

So when you talk low $ vs high $$$$ are you also looking at 4 ply vs say 10 ply?

I don’t know anything about off roading where you are, but out here I don’t recommend 4 ply tires. In the last 5 years, had to change 4 of them on the trail and zero 10 ply. Most everyone I go traveling with, uses 10 ply tires.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

So when you talk low $ vs high $$$$ are you also looking at 4 ply vs say 10 ply?

I don’t know anything about off roading where you are, but out here I don’t recommend 4 ply tires. In the last 5 years, had to change 4 of them on the trail and zero 10 ply. Most everyone I go traveling with, uses 10 ply tires.

I suppose this would normally be good advice. However, if the OP really is running one of the new Cherokees, I doubt an LT tire should be in his future. Very heavy for such a light vehicle and there may not be one in the right size.

Someone else could chime in, but I have been reading lately that the newer tire construction techniques render the 10-ply discussion moot? That a 6 or 8 "ply" now has the same toughness and protection. Is that right?

 

[NMBruce]

I suppose this would normally be good advice. However, if the OP really is running one of the new Cherokees, I doubt an LT tire should be in his future. Very heavy for such a light vehicle and there may not be one in the right size.

Someone else could chime in, but I have been reading lately that the newer tire construction techniques render the 10-ply discussion moot? That a 6 or 8 "ply" now has the same toughness and protection. Is that right?

I didn’t think about the type of vehicle he was using.
That would some great information to know.
I run Cooper ST Maxx because of their construction, so I can see that information getting used on other ply tires.
On my GX470, I had to change a tire on a mountain forest road because a rock ripped the belts, tire was not repairable and then twice on a friend’s JLUR KO2 because of the same and the forth was another friend having the same problem.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Original post mentions he CAN run 235/65/17.
No full size truck built today is running anything quite that narrow from the factory, although I have Cooper snow tires at 245 width 17 in rim on my Sierra now.

@NMBruce where you are I dont doubt the need. Sounds like a beautiful area.

But maybe not so needed in the Canadian Maritimes where OP is.

Hey @That_kl_cherokee , where you gonna drive this?

 

[That_kl_cherokee]

. So that’s what I was wondering because where I am for bfg tires in my size it’s almost 300 dollars a tire that’s for the ko2 I want to get a good brand but that’s cheaper maybe 200 dollars a tire (CDN) that’ll last a bit so I’m not running bald tires on the road and on trails something decent to get me to summer at least till I can afford top of the line tires

Sometimes Craigslist has tires ( as I had recently sold a set there) - just an option.

I got a set of scorpion all terrains and they are doing fantastic I absolutely love them haven’t tried the trails yet but they handle the snow and ice like a champ great tread and great bite I found thanks for the comment:)

 

[Deleted member 82267]

First set of all terrain Generals and I am very happy. Have run BFG, Goodyear, Coopers, and Hankook all on a 2dr Wrangler. So far the generals have been the best of the bunch. First off the ride is quiet and no balance issues. Tire is 315/70/17, so close to 35 inches tall and seems to be wearing even and showing little wear after 15k miles. Off road traction is really good at 18 - 20 psi. No popped beads without bead lockers. I will add the BFG always seemed to be out balance and noisy after about 50% worn.

 

[Downs]

I'm always looking at my next tire. I've ran everything from high end BFGs to remolds. There are deals out there to be had. Just make sure you do your internet foot work as far as browsing internet forums, and reviews. Currently I'm rolling around on Achilles Desert Hawks. Both ATs and MTs. It's an Indonesian brand that's been around since 91. Tires are made in a ISO certified facility. I've liked them so far. They don't have that brand power but I'm looking at getting probably 40-50k miles out of the ATs.

10ply ain't so awesome when your vehicle doesn't even weigh 2 tons lol.

 

[Smileyshaun]

With smaller crossover rigs look a lot at tire weight when shopping , you will feel a extra 10lbs of tire more than a full-size rig will . I’m not a fan of putting things on credit but you could easily soak up that extra cost for a better tire by taking advantage of a lot of the 12 months no interest tire financing options .

Edit : sorry I was having half of a thought personally I think bfg has fallen far behind other manufacturers . There are a lot of other tires out there that way less are just as tough and don’t have the same quality problems that BFG seems to be having now.