Qeustion for the Full Sized crew....payload etc.

[Autism Family Travels]

So my local consignment shop has a truck camper for sale and they say 3/4 ton only. Ok, that's fine. What 3/4 ton? if I roll in with a 2003 "3/4" ton F250 can I go with the camper? If so, I should technically be able to put the same camper in my 2016 F150 since it has a higher payload capacity than the 2003 F250....what are your thoughts on this?

 

[highboy4x4]

GVWR is a dart on the wall. But whichever way you go. AIRBAGS......I hauled RV's with my F350 for 2 years with a max weight of 16k lbs and a hitch weight of almost 3k lbs and those airbags were awesome....

 

[Autism Family Travels]

GVWR is a dart on the wall. But whichever way you go. AIRBAGS......I hauled RV's with my F350 for 2 years with a max weight of 16k lbs and a hitch weight of almost 3k lbs and those airbags were awesome....

Oh yes. Airbags will be going in along with the 3 inch vertex suspension. I can stiffen the rear shocks then too to control sway as well

 

[Autism Family Travels]

Just for comparison. The max payload for the 2005 F250 is 3,158 lbs, and my 16' F150 is 3270. But using the salespersons logic, I can roll in with the 05 take the camper and go, but my f150 can't. payload is payload.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Look. It all comes down to numbers. How much does the Camper weigh empty? How much weight in gear, food and water will you be carrying? Add that all up.

Normally an F150 has the capacity between 1500 and 2200lbs.

Your 2016 Ford F150 would appear to be outfitted with a 5.0 liter v8 or the 3.5 EcoBoost and the Special Heavy Duty Payload package. That is the only way a 2016 F150 could reach 3200 lbs of payload.

That amounts to what we used to call, a "Heavy Half." A half ton truck specially outfitted to approach HD status.

So the sales person is correct in general terms. But you have a special case.

Although I dont tow much at all compared to @highboy4x4, I wouldn't say GVWR is a dart game. These numbers and capacities are arrived at based on frame strength, engine power, weight of the vehicle itself and wheelbase. That's why a short Wrangler pops a wheelie when it tries to tow too much - not enough weight spread over a long enough wheelbase.

Whereas a 4x2 (4x4 weighs more) pickup, single cab, 8 foot bed with v8 power and tow package (and larger batter brakes, even) is at the top of the tow and haul capacity range, and a similarly set up 250/2500 series with a stronger frame and motor can tow or haul so much more.

For me, not being a professional and only having a 1500, I try to keep my hauling to 2/3 capacity and towing to about half capacity, just for longevity of my truck.

One man's opinion

 

[Autism Family Travels]

But it can't. the 2005 f250 does not have as high a payload capacity so it's frame is no stronger, no better motor (worse actually with the 5.4 compared to my coyote) etc. Yes, the NEW 250s are able to pull carry more. But I am comparing the 2005 F250 to my 150 with max payload 4x4.

I used my vin and it's 3270 payload. So, the scout Kenai with pop top tent is 1330. toss in our gear in and we are still well below the max. Pop in airbags to level the load and just go. Yes I would love to be able to get brandy new F250 FX4...but at 115,000 dollars compared to the F150 I have now, I will take my chances with the kenai in the back of our truck.

The other way I look at it too, my F150 has way more capacity than my 1986 F150 4x2 had, and we lugged a camper around in that all the time without issue. I think most of the ratings these days are American sue happy ratings. Hell we towed an 18 ft prowler camper trailer with a 1983 Pontiac Parisian brougham all over the island. I think we will be fine coming within 500 of max capacity.

I would think the camper at the local store would be over the ratings of my truck and most old 3/4 tons. But I want pose the question to the person selling it at the dealer. If I came in with a old 3/4 ton you would sell it to me without issue but won't with my F150. which is silly.

 

[highboy4x4]

Look. It all comes down to numbers. How much does the Camper weigh empty? How much weight in gear, food and water will you be carrying? Add that all up.

Normally an F150 has the capacity between 1500 and 2200lbs.

Your 2016 Ford F150 would appear to be outfitted with a 5.0 liter v8 or the 3.5 EcoBoost and the Special Heavy Duty Payload package. That is the only way a 2016 F150 could reach 3200 lbs of payload.

That amounts to what we used to call, a "Heavy Half." A half ton truck specially outfitted to approach HD status.

So the sales person is correct in general terms. But you have a special case.

Although I dont tow much at all compared to @highboy4x4, I wouldn't say GVWR is a dart game. These numbers and capacities are arrived at based on frame strength, engine power, weight of the vehicle itself and wheelbase. That's why a short Wrangler pops a wheelie when it tries to tow too much - not enough weight spread over a long enough wheelbase.

Whereas a 4x2 (4x4 weighs more) pickup, single cab, 8 foot bed with v8 power and tow package (and larger batter brakes, even) is at the top of the tow and haul capacity range, and a similarly set up 250/2500 series with a stronger frame and motor can tow or haul so much more.

For me, not being a professional and only having a 1500, I try to keep my hauling to 2/3 capacity and towing to about half capacity, just for longevity of my truck.

One man's opinion

To correct your assumption. I didn’t say it was a date “game.” A dart on the wall is a target that you shoot for, or base your calculations off of.
Regardless, a vehicle can handle up to and sometimes more than the gvrw. It’s all about safety for you and those around you. Ask any DOT enforcement officer or anyone that holds a CDL.

Here is one of many innerweb links to help you calculate your overall weight allowance.

GVWR Calculator - Calculate Max Payload Capacity

This gross vehicle weight rating gvwr calculator uses curb weight, cargo weight, passenger weight, and additional load to find maximum payload capacity of truck and trailer. The GVWR represents the maximum allowable total weight of your vehicle, including the vehicle’s own weight (curb weight)...

ctrlcalculator.com

Best of luck. Look forward to seeing what you come up with!

 

[Autism Family Travels]

Thanks for the calculator. I will get the information off my truck and put it in, see what I can come up with.

 

[Autism Family Travels]

Saw a Scout Kenai in the back of a Ford 6.5 ft bed today. We know we want that camper now. Add in the roof top tent for Colin to sleep with access from inside the camper makes it the clear winner for us. I know its fine for weight with everything in it and us.

 

[highboy4x4]

Saw a Scout Kenai in the back of a Ford 6.5 ft bed today. We know we want that camper now. Add in the roof top tent for Colin to sleep with access from inside the camper makes it the clear winner for us. I know its fine for weight with everything in it and us.

I just looked at that camper and it is very nice. Little expensive for my taste but for a traveling family it looks awesome. The specs are similar to what we have posted here. Heavy half ton and up, short/long bed, and only 1331 lbs starting weight! Figure 2-2500 lbs fully loaded with no rally car jumps and you should be ok.
Best of all, ENJOY it!

 

[ThundahBeagle]

But it can't. the 2005 f250 does not have as high a payload capacity so it's frame is no stronger, no better motor (worse actually with the 5.4 compared to my coyote) etc. Yes, the NEW 250s are able to pull carry more. But I am comparing the 2005 F250 to my 150 with max payload 4x4.

I used my vin and it's 3270 payload. So, the scout Kenai with pop top tent is 1330. toss in our gear in and we are still well below the max. Pop in airbags to level the load and just go. Yes I would love to be able to get brandy new F250 FX4...but at 115,000 dollars compared to the F150 I have now, I will take my chances with the kenai in the back of our truck.

The other way I look at it too, my F150 has way more capacity than my 1986 F150 4x2 had, and we lugged a camper around in that all the time without issue. I think most of the ratings these days are American sue happy ratings. Hell we towed an 18 ft prowler camper trailer with a 1983 Pontiac Parisian brougham all over the island. I think we will be fine coming within 500 of max capacity.

I would think the camper at the local store would be over the ratings of my truck and most old 3/4 tons. But I want pose the question to the person selling it at the dealer. If I came in with a old 3/4 ton you would sell it to me without issue but won't with my F150. which is silly.

Newer trucks are made with stronger steel. Sure. Your newer F150 could very well have a higher capacity than the older 250.

It will tell you in the door frame or as you said. You looked it up by VIN.

Not to mention hp coming into play. He e l l, my 06 Honda Civic Si 4 cylinder had ALMOST as much hp as my '94 full size Blazer Silverado v8.

The numbers are there. Stay under them and keep the vehicle maintained and you should be good. We did a LOT of stuff in the 70's and 80's that we should not have. And most of us got away with it. Doesnt mean it was right, it the safest thing to do.

We rode around in a station wagon, my sisters sitting cross legged in the cargo area playing jax, my brother and I in the back seat fighting if we werent climbing over the bench to "drive", while mom smoked Marlboros and dad - driving! - had a beer. Not a one of us wearing a seat belt.

Just because we did something in the 80's, doesn't mean it was best.

I'm not really disagreeing with you about the sales person. They probably know jack squat about it and were told to parrot the line " not without an HD truck"

 

[ThundahBeagle]

But it can't. the 2005 f250 does not have as high a payload capacity so it's frame is no stronger, no better motor (worse actually with the 5.4 compared to my coyote) etc. Yes, the NEW 250s are able to pull carry more. But I am comparing the 2005 F250 to my 150 with max payload 4x4.

I used my vin and it's 3270 payload. So, the scout Kenai with pop top tent is 1330. toss in our gear in and we are still well below the max. Pop in airbags to level the load and just go. Yes I would love to be able to get brandy new F250 FX4...but at 115,000 dollars compared to the F150 I have now, I will take my chances with the kenai in the back of our truck.

The other way I look at it too, my F150 has way more capacity than my 1986 F150 4x2 had, and we lugged a camper around in that all the time without issue. I think most of the ratings these days are American sue happy ratings. Hell we towed an 18 ft prowler camper trailer with a 1983 Pontiac Parisian brougham all over the island. I think we will be fine coming within 500 of max capacity.

I would think the camper at the local store would be over the ratings of my truck and most old 3/4 tons. But I want pose the question to the person selling it at the dealer. If I came in with a old 3/4 ton you would sell it to me without issue but won't with my F150. which is silly.

How is the older F 250 incapable of handling the 1330 (lbs?) of payload, exactly? If it can handle over 3100 lbs, 1300 should be a cake walk. I'm I reading this wrong?

So, your old 250 CAN handle it. Just. Your newer 150 has special features that allow it to do so.

If the trailer is 1300lbs, then a TYPICAL F150 whose capacity could be as low as 1500 lbs would not be advisable because the trailer, PLUS a 200 lb man, plus his spouse, couple of rug rats -would already exceed the vehickes capacity.


As has already been noted, YOUR 150 has special superpowers.

 

[Autism Family Travels]

How is the older F 250 incapable of handling the 1330 (lbs?) of payload, exactly? If it can handle over 3100 lbs, 1300 should be a cake walk. I'm I reading this wrong?

So, your old 250 CAN handle it. Just. Your newer 150 has special features that allow it to do so.

If the trailer is 1300lbs, then a TYPICAL F150 whose capacity could be as low as 1500 lbs would not be advisable because the trailer, PLUS a 200 lb man, plus his spouse, couple of rug rats -would already exceed the vehickes capacity.


As has already been noted, YOUR 150 has special superpowers.

I was looking at an older used camper at a local dealer first. The owner of the dealer said my truck wont take it (which is fine) he said you need a 250 to use it. I am making the point that NO not any 250 can take it either. Looks at specs. my F150 has more payload than say a 2005 F250....That's what I was getting at originally. NO, my F150 does not have super powers but it got more payload capacity than a 2005 F250.

Max payload of a 2005 F250 is 3180......
Max payload serial number confirmed at the stealership of my 2016 F150 is 3270.

EIther of these will take the scout without issue, I went off on a tangent about the scout since I looked at it after I made my original post. But what I say is correct. My F150 can take the camper thats for sale locally just as well as an old 3/4 ton truck.