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Long story short, I've had my 2013 Tacoma for 3 year and love it. Always loved it and likely always will. I always said I would never get rid of it and this would be with me for life. This passed week I had a 2019 Silverado as a rental and drove about 600 miles in it. Wow. Now I understand the draw to full size trucks. The space, comfort, power, etc was all superior to my tacoma. I'm thinking it's almost Tundra time but I've got nearly $20k invested in the tacoma I'll never get back..life problems.
 

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Test drive a crew cab Ford SD or Dodge HD.

Even more room than the chevy, with better breakover angles.
 

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Full figured trucks are the best.:sunglasses: I prefer them in Mopar form.:hearteyes: And HeavyDuty makes them perfect. 8 foot bed is life changing.:wink:20200209_153313.jpg
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Seriously though. If you enjoyed the shivy, go test ride a Rebel and a Powerwagon.

I see you are interested in a Toyota.

Drive the 2019 Rebel. It has alot of factory offroad hardware right out the gate. It has a great ride and lots of capability.

But if you really want a hard decision...drive the 2019 Powerwagon. It comes with all the offroad goodies you could want (including a warn 12k winch) and with them adding the 8spd to the 6.4l an awesome drivetrain.

Full size trucks make very few compromises.

I got the crew cab 8 foot bed so I no longer have to plan much for what I am taking. It all fits. And where I head out...it has fit everywhere I pointed it.

The comfort and capacity means everything to me.

Keep us posted if you do decide to come to the full side...
 
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I drive a silverado CC with the 6.6ft bed and this most recent trip to moab i carried more than my own gear and still had plenty of room! I do get alot of lip for having full size but when they ride in my truck they dont say anything lol It does great on the trails and has made it when everyone else has too
 

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The space, comfort, power, etc was all superior to my tacoma.
There is more space, I prefer compact tho.
Comfort ?? I get more comfort when a compact pickup is not leaving paint on the rocks.
Power.... so subjective..... are you buying it for the interstate or forestry roads ??

I say the Tacoma is superior to any 1/2 ton full size. Even a 3/4 ton full size is only better if you need payload capacity.
The Chevy is bigger, heavier, likely thirstier. Hardly superior. Just different.

I was an F250, W250 fan until the kids moved out. Now I'm a TJ/YJ/CJ fan, even the JK/JL/JT are all way too big for comfort on the trails I run.
 
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I have a 2006 Chevy CC 2500HD w/ 8 Ft bed. I want to make it trail-ready, but the options seem limited. I have found a few bumper options, but they're all big and heavy or just plain ugly! I'm trying to determine how much ground clearance is necessary for the majority of trails. I'm not looking to build a rock crawler. I can put 285/75/16s on it with minimal rubbing. I need to level the truck and I hope that will do away with the rubbing.

Any ideas on how to properly outfit a full-size truck for overlanding?
 

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I say the Tacoma is superior to any 1/2 ton full size. Even a 3/4 ton full size is only better if you need payload capacity.
The Chevy is bigger, heavier, likely thirstier. Hardly superior. Just different.
My chevy is bigger and heavier than my friends tacoma but yet on our last trip to moab and back I got better MPG and carried all my gear and gear from another taco because they have no space. So I dont think its different but its better to me. My silverado is a crew cab 6.5ft bed on 35's the taco is the same yr with no lift just better tires but it did not get 18mpg like i did
 

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I have seen a few of the full size threads discussing the idea of someone with a Tacoma wanting to go Full Size because the Tacoma doesn't meet their needs. I would make a small suggestion before anyone in this position -- with a Taco, lusting after a full size -- pulls the trigger. My suggestion is to consider other mid-size trucks. My honest opinion is that for North American "typical" Overlanding (running gravel roads to campgrounds, nothing too technical of "off road-ey", with a family of two adults and a kid or two or maybe a dog using a lot of payload), a full size is a better choice for most people.

The Taco is an incredibly reliable and proven platform. However, the midsize segment has been red-hot with innovation and improvements and they have been increasing capacity a lot with this latest generation in the Ford/GM/Chevy/Jeep realm. The Taco is, relative to the rest of the segment, quite outdated as a proper model line refresh hasn't happened in some time. Because of this, the gap between a Taco and a full size truck is quite significant, however the gap between some of the other mid sized trucks and the full sized trucks is a bit more narrow. It may be that moving to a different mid-sized truck from a Taco makes for a better compromise than moving to a full size truck from a Taco.

For instance, I own both the '17 Canyon and a '18 Silverado, and you will see below that they are very close in specs. The below are the numbers pulled directly from my VIN; depending on the truck there will be variations; Taco specs are pulled from Edmunds for a similar spec'd 2018 vehicle -- crew cab, off road package. It's worth noting my 1500 is a WT. It's 4x4 with a 2 speed manual transfer case and a automatic rear locker, but no other off road goodies from the factory -- usually off road goodies actually reduce towing and payload capacities from the factory. My Canyon is the All Terrain, with the auto-locker, hill descent, etc. (it's as close as GM came that year to an 'off road' package, but it's no Rubicon or even TRD Pro).

VariableGMC CanyonChevrolet 1500 SilveradoTacoma
Payload1530 lbs19001175
Towing7000 lbs91006400
Passengers565
Width74.3 inches80 inches75.2
Length212.4 inches230 inches212
Height70.6 inches74.2 inches70
Approach Angle17 Degrees18 32
Departure22.1 degrees2323.5
Ground Clearance8.2 inches8.99.4
Curb Weight448853004425
Gross Weight600071005600


No question that a full size is better inside as far as a "nice place to be". There's lots more places to put things, power ports, cup holders, and elbow room. This is excellent for the typical NA Overland trip. You will not be limited in a full size for a lot of the interesting routes in North America, but there are some remote side tracks and trails that will be better explored with a mid-sized truck. In terms of payload, the 370 lbs advantage of a full size is quickly reduced by the increased weight of protection -- a bumper is 6 inches wider, there's more landscape for skid plates to cover, etc. to the point where it's scarcely an advantage at all. The Full-size truck above is a thousand pounds heavier than the mid-size trucks before adding gear, and that makes one heck of a difference off road. In almost any Overland/Off Road application, lighter is better. This is also (and especially) true of international travel -- if I had to drive across some of the rickety bridges or eroded hillside roads that are common outside of North America I would definitely be thinking about that thousand pounds! Smaller/lighter is an undeniable advantage. And if/when you do get stuck -- at home or abroad -- a recovery with a lighter vehicle is almost always easier and safer.

Obviously the key is getting the right truck for your needs -- that's true of any of us. But, my hope is to highlight that it's not quite as simple as 'full size better, mid size worse' as they are much closer together than I think a lot of people realize these days; it may feel like a huge leap to go from a Taco to a full size, but that's less true when going from a Canyon/Ranger/Gladiator versus the full size. And if @diabetictaco was all messed up before I do not imagine I have helped even in the slightest!
 

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Can someone toss in the Powerwagon or Tremor #'s?

One of my decision points was: Little trucks are great in foreign countries. But I'm no longer going to overland there. Except for canada, which is best for fullsizes anyways. So another plus for the fullsize.
 
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I have seen a few of the full size threads discussing the idea of someone with a Tacoma wanting to go Full Size because the Tacoma doesn't meet their needs. I would make a small suggestion before anyone in this position -- with a Taco, lusting after a full size -- pulls the trigger. My suggestion is to consider other mid-size trucks. My honest opinion is that for North American "typical" Overlanding (running gravel roads to campgrounds, nothing too technical of "off road-ey", with a family of two adults and a kid or two or maybe a dog using a lot of payload), a full size is a better choice for most people.

The Taco is an incredibly reliable and proven platform. However, the midsize segment has been red-hot with innovation and improvements and they have been increasing capacity a lot with this latest generation in the Ford/GM/Chevy/Jeep realm. The Taco is, relative to the rest of the segment, quite outdated as a proper model line refresh hasn't happened in some time. Because of this, the gap between a Taco and a full size truck is quite significant, however the gap between some of the other mid sized trucks and the full sized trucks is a bit more narrow. It may be that moving to a different mid-sized truck from a Taco makes for a better compromise than moving to a full size truck from a Taco.

For instance, I own both the '17 Canyon and a '18 Silverado, and you will see below that they are very close in specs. The below are the numbers pulled directly from my VIN; depending on the truck there will be variations; Taco specs are pulled from Edmunds for a similar spec'd 2018 vehicle -- crew cab, off road package. It's worth noting my 1500 is a WT. It's 4x4 with a 2 speed manual transfer case and a automatic rear locker, but no other off road goodies from the factory -- usually off road goodies actually reduce towing and payload capacities from the factory. My Canyon is the All Terrain, with the auto-locker, hill descent, etc. (it's as close as GM came that year to an 'off road' package, but it's no Rubicon or even TRD Pro).

VariableGMC CanyonChevrolet 1500 SilveradoTacoma
Payload1530 lbs19001175
Towing7000 lbs91006400
Passengers565
Width74.3 inches80 inches75.2
Length212.4 inches230 inches212
Height70.6 inches74.2 inches70
Approach Angle17 Degrees1832
Departure22.1 degrees2323.5
Ground Clearance8.2 inches8.99.4
Curb Weight448853004425
Gross Weight600071005600


No question that a full size is better inside as far as a "nice place to be". There's lots more places to put things, power ports, cup holders, and elbow room. This is excellent for the typical NA Overland trip. You will not be limited in a full size for a lot of the interesting routes in North America, but there are some remote side tracks and trails that will be better explored with a mid-sized truck. In terms of payload, the 370 lbs advantage of a full size is quickly reduced by the increased weight of protection -- a bumper is 6 inches wider, there's more landscape for skid plates to cover, etc. to the point where it's scarcely an advantage at all. The Full-size truck above is a thousand pounds heavier than the mid-size trucks before adding gear, and that makes one heck of a difference off road. In almost any Overland/Off Road application, lighter is better. This is also (and especially) true of international travel -- if I had to drive across some of the rickety bridges or eroded hillside roads that are common outside of North America I would definitely be thinking about that thousand pounds! Smaller/lighter is an undeniable advantage. And if/when you do get stuck -- at home or abroad -- a recovery with a lighter vehicle is almost always easier and safer.

Obviously the key is getting the right truck for your needs -- that's true of any of us. But, my hope is to highlight that it's not quite as simple as 'full size better, mid size worse' as they are much closer together than I think a lot of people realize these days; it may feel like a huge leap to go from a Taco to a full size, but that's less true when going from a Canyon/Ranger/Gladiator versus the full size. And if @diabetictaco was all messed up before I do not imagine I have helped even in the slightest!
Wow, you made some excellent points and have great data to back it up! For people who aren't too sure about what they need, this certainly will give an accurate assessment of things.
 

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Something kinda funny to think about , a new “midsize truck “ is nearly the same size and what the biggest full-size suv that people always said was wayyyyy to big to be on the trail and nearly the size of a older full-size truck . But then again size is all relative to where you travel In some places you could probably drive a Duce and a half and never worry about putting a scratch on it and in other places a Samurai Would barely squeeze through. F91695EE-5019-498E-9EBB-CD8DCE42F36B.jpegFD05F876-901D-4188-BC80-D0CD6134920D.jpeg9C218D9D-98B0-4F59-86C9-47F9023489F9.jpeg
 

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Something kinda funny to think about , a new “midsize truck “ is nearly the same size and what the biggest full-size suv that people always said was wayyyyy to big to be on the trail and nearly the size of a older full-size truck . But then again size is all relative to where you travel In some places you could probably drive a Duce and a half and never worry about putting a scratch on it and in other places a Samurai Would barely squeeze through. View attachment 141873View attachment 141874View attachment 141875
Yes, but as they say. Take the 8 people out of the suburban and put them into the tacoma.
 

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My limo ride home from the airport Sunday night was a Yukon XL.

4 adults, two children, tops. Anything more would be hellishly uncomfortable. Low quality interior. In fact if I had one, I'd remove the 3rd row seating and burn it at a State Park on ''Tires for Greta'' day. Don't forget there's no bed for cargo. Without the 3rd row, it's smaller than a crew cab truck.

Combine all of that, and the fact that if I had four kids, I'd eat two of them........Suburbans just ain't for me.
 

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Long story short, I've had my 2013 Tacoma for 3 year and love it. Always loved it and likely always will. I always said I would never get rid of it and this would be with me for life. This passed week I had a 2019 Silverado as a rental and drove about 600 miles in it. Wow. Now I understand the draw to full size trucks. The space, comfort, power, etc was all superior to my tacoma. I'm thinking it's almost Tundra time but I've got nearly $20k invested in the tacoma I'll never get back..life problems.
When I was in the market for a truck, I was thinking of the Tacoma because I wanted to fit it in the garage. Then I sat in a full-size during the auto show, and well that was a mistake. Two years later, I have 38k on my F-150 SuperCrew and love it. Can't think of downgrading to a mid-size anymore.
 

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I was completely sold on a TRD Off-Road 4x4Tacoma but a nagging thought just would not let me pull the trigger. I knew it would be a selfish purchase considering I have a wife and young son that enjoy camping trips. However, I had a list in my mind of features I wanted in the truck that would make it as capable as could be without diving deeply into mods. I drove a 2019 Rebel on a whim and bought it same day. Not even the hint of a regret.