Off-Road Ranger I
.....did mine in.......August. Permits says that August is starting to come in.
Legal Weapons and Overlanding
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That's a thoughtful and nuanced post regarding a complex and controversial topic, and it has no place on an internet forum. I said Good Day, Sir.
You're absolutely right. I will NOT compromise.
Just to make position clear, I believe any law abiding citizens should be able to own anything a basic infantryman would be equipped with.
Pathfinder I
You would be correct for the OP's State.....
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Prohibited places to carry?
RCW 9.41.300 and RCW 9.41.280. Municipalities may also have laws, in keeping with state law, that prohibit firearm possession.
The Washington state firearm law has designated certain areas where it is a violation of law to possess a firearm, regardless of whether you are lawfully carrying concealed. The prohibited areas are: restricted access areas of a jail; the area used in connection with court proceedings; restricted access areas of a mental health facility; that portion of an establishment classified by the liquor control board as off-limits to persons under 21 years of age; restricted access areas of a commercial service airport; and public or private elementary and secondary school premises. This can be found in RCW 9.41.300 and RCW 9.41.280. Municipalities may also have laws, in keeping with state law, that prohibit firearm possession.
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You personally may not be advocating infringing my Constitutional right to keep and bear, but the assault has been continuous and relentless all in the name of public safety and common sense. People don't realize just how close we are to losing our liberty forever. I for one will not go quietly. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.
Off-Road Ranger I
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DEBATE POLITICAL BELIEFS ELSEWHERE
THIS IS ABOUT EQUIPMENT AND OVERLANDING
SPECIFICALLY FIREARMS
NOT FIREARM OWNERSHIP PHILOSOPHY
DEBATE POLITICAL BELIEFS ELSEWHERE
THIS IS ABOUT EQUIPMENT AND OVERLANDING
SPECIFICALLY FIREARMS
NOT FIREARM OWNERSHIP PHILOSOPHY
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Off-Road Ranger I
Off-Road Ranger I
Seems apparent in this day and age that carrying to protect yourself is imperative. When camping, outdoors, in the wilderness and in the elements, do you carry?
I know in California, each county is differed in the members ability to carry/conceal, however, in CA, if sleeping in your vehicle or "housing" for the night, you can protect yourself. What do Overlanders from other areas do?
I know the age old question: Would you really shoot lyons, tigers and bears in the wilderness and think you could protect yourself...but it's also the two-legged creatures to be aware of also.
Just figured I'd start the conversation...
I know in California, each county is differed in the members ability to carry/conceal, however, in CA, if sleeping in your vehicle or "housing" for the night, you can protect yourself. What do Overlanders from other areas do?
I know the age old question: Would you really shoot lyons, tigers and bears in the wilderness and think you could protect yourself...but it's also the two-legged creatures to be aware of also.
Just figured I'd start the conversation...
Check out this thread...
https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/threads/legal-weapons-and-overlanding.448/
https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/threads/legal-weapons-and-overlanding.448/
Sometimes I camp with guns, sometimes I don't. I absolutely don't consider it imperative. Any non-gun owners reading this should feel totally comfortable exploring without a gun, in my opinion. Not everyone wants that experience nor responsibility.
The thread @ColoradoPacific linked to is a great example of how cool this community is. This topic is contentious, and that thread is largely civil. Very impressive!
The thread @ColoradoPacific linked to is a great example of how cool this community is. This topic is contentious, and that thread is largely civil. Very impressive!
I know this is largely a US based forum, but you maybe interested in the position in the UK. As you know gun ownership is very small based on the fact that the government and media have demonised it. This was after massacres like hungerford and dunblane. That said there is still an active gun enthusiast lobby which includes me. My licence allows me carry my rifle to the range or other location that I have permission to shoot, or visiting another range where I will pay a fee. It is unlikely I could justify carrying it on any trip in the UK unless it was specifically a shooting trip.
Part of getting your licence is justifying what you will use it for, and self defence is not a justification. Practice or zeroing is one or pest control is the other. Anything else is likely to be refused. Hand guns are exceptionally hard to get and many consider them effectively banned. Semi auto rifles in .22 calibre only. Anything else is bolt action. Bizarrely though getting a silencer - sorry a sound moderator is very easy as part of your application. This is based on the fact that us brits don't like noise and so in order to be considerate, we can have silencers.
now to answer the original question, would i take one on an overlanding trip. In the UK no (although very little real overlanding anyway in the UK). Nothing like wild animals that could hurt us. If I was going to eastern europe where bears and wolves are common then maybe, although I am unlikely to get permission. Maybe if I could combine an overlanding trip with a hunting one and do something like a wild boar hunt.
Part of getting your licence is justifying what you will use it for, and self defence is not a justification. Practice or zeroing is one or pest control is the other. Anything else is likely to be refused. Hand guns are exceptionally hard to get and many consider them effectively banned. Semi auto rifles in .22 calibre only. Anything else is bolt action. Bizarrely though getting a silencer - sorry a sound moderator is very easy as part of your application. This is based on the fact that us brits don't like noise and so in order to be considerate, we can have silencers.
now to answer the original question, would i take one on an overlanding trip. In the UK no (although very little real overlanding anyway in the UK). Nothing like wild animals that could hurt us. If I was going to eastern europe where bears and wolves are common then maybe, although I am unlikely to get permission. Maybe if I could combine an overlanding trip with a hunting one and do something like a wild boar hunt.
@Disco_Berty I've always found the treatment of silencers/suppressors in the UK to be pretty ironic. Here in the US we pay $200 or so just for an application then wait 6 months or more, then if approved, have to pay another $750 or more to actually buy the suppressor! And that's if you live in a state and county which will allow it.
Seems to me like they are almost expected in other countries, and seen as a courtesy. Noise reduction and all. :-)
Seems to me like they are almost expected in other countries, and seen as a courtesy. Noise reduction and all. :-)
Off-Road Ranger I
Interesting see all the responses here and the differing views. Not political, just the regional and other country perspective per se.
I carry a 1911 Officer Model .45 - Backpacking, hiking, Search/Rescue, Camping etc it is with me.
Couple stories:
First, about a year ago, we were camping in our tent trailer, my wife and kids, and father in law. We were up around 9pm playing games and at one point, I faintly heard what seemed a growling sound. I didn't acknowledge it as I just figured it was my imagination or just a noise, but a moments later, I heard it again. Only this time, my father in law and I locked eyes as he heard it too. We both said "did you hear that!" I jumped from the table and unholstered from my hip, my father in law jumped up and went to his gun case; locked in the front of the trailer. I ran out of the trailer thinking there was a bear, mountain lion, etc and started to search around the camper with my flashlight and the spots on my Jeep. After about 2 minutes of fumbling with his gun case, my father in law joined me outside to search also. He started looking around in the bushes, brush and forest also. ...after about 5 minutes of this, my wife announced "guys, I think I found the bear!" To our surprise, she had found my then 6 yo son asleep in his bunk, snoring like a bear! We all had a good chuckle about the situation.
Second, a few months back on a camping trip, in the hustle to get out of the house to get a good spot for Labor Day Camping, I forgot my carry weapon in my safe! I went the entire weekend without my .45, and let's just say I did NOT sleep as well as I do when I have it. I tossed at night and slept with my axe next to my head. It was unnerving and made me realize how comforting having a firearm can be. I will not make that mistake again.
Lastly, On a Search and Rescue mock sar mission, it was myself and 4 other searchers (two of which were deputies) and when we came to a break for food/water, one of the members asked "who all is carrying?" It turned into an instant show and tell where everyone pulled their weapons and set them on a stump.....I was happy to see I had the biggest hand cannon of them all. HAHA. Even one of the Deputies announced "My God man, you carry your 1911 locked, cocked and loaded??!!" I told him there isn't any other way!
Guns aren't for everyone, and you have to be conscious, safe and situationally aware when you have them. I am blessed my Sheriff and Police Chief are pro-carry in our county....so many don't have the opportunity in CA.
Carry proud, carry safe!
I carry a 1911 Officer Model .45 - Backpacking, hiking, Search/Rescue, Camping etc it is with me.
Couple stories:
First, about a year ago, we were camping in our tent trailer, my wife and kids, and father in law. We were up around 9pm playing games and at one point, I faintly heard what seemed a growling sound. I didn't acknowledge it as I just figured it was my imagination or just a noise, but a moments later, I heard it again. Only this time, my father in law and I locked eyes as he heard it too. We both said "did you hear that!" I jumped from the table and unholstered from my hip, my father in law jumped up and went to his gun case; locked in the front of the trailer. I ran out of the trailer thinking there was a bear, mountain lion, etc and started to search around the camper with my flashlight and the spots on my Jeep. After about 2 minutes of fumbling with his gun case, my father in law joined me outside to search also. He started looking around in the bushes, brush and forest also. ...after about 5 minutes of this, my wife announced "guys, I think I found the bear!" To our surprise, she had found my then 6 yo son asleep in his bunk, snoring like a bear! We all had a good chuckle about the situation.
Second, a few months back on a camping trip, in the hustle to get out of the house to get a good spot for Labor Day Camping, I forgot my carry weapon in my safe! I went the entire weekend without my .45, and let's just say I did NOT sleep as well as I do when I have it. I tossed at night and slept with my axe next to my head. It was unnerving and made me realize how comforting having a firearm can be. I will not make that mistake again.
Lastly, On a Search and Rescue mock sar mission, it was myself and 4 other searchers (two of which were deputies) and when we came to a break for food/water, one of the members asked "who all is carrying?" It turned into an instant show and tell where everyone pulled their weapons and set them on a stump.....I was happy to see I had the biggest hand cannon of them all. HAHA. Even one of the Deputies announced "My God man, you carry your 1911 locked, cocked and loaded??!!" I told him there isn't any other way!
Guns aren't for everyone, and you have to be conscious, safe and situationally aware when you have them. I am blessed my Sheriff and Police Chief are pro-carry in our county....so many don't have the opportunity in CA.
Carry proud, carry safe!
