Legal Weapons and Overlanding

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TheMcCalls

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To me, guns are no different than seatbelts or fire extinguishers. They are tools which are available for me to defend life and property.

Do I expect to need a medium-caliber rifle and pistol, both with multiple extra magazines, every time I leave the house? Absolutely not!! (If I did feel that way, then I'd be moving somewhere safer). HOWEVER... If I am ever caught in the middle of a mass-shooting scenario, or someone attempts to carjack me... I will be very glad I have the necessary tools available to protect myself and those around me.
That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. And again, if we ever hit the trail together, I'd LOVE to target shoot with ya! It's been too long.
 

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That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. And again, if we ever hit the trail together, I'd LOVE to target shoot with ya! It's been too long.
Anytime, man!! I lived out in Kitsap County for 10 years, and only recently moved back to Colorado. I miss that area of the country, and would love to come back for some trail adventures!
 
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Anytime, man!! I lived out in Kitsap County for 10 years, and only recently moved back to Colorado. I miss that area of the country, and would love to come back for some trail adventures!
We just bought a house and have an extra room, so we're open to host anyone that wants to head out this way for some adventure!
 

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As someone who doesn't even own a gun, I can't relate to the always armed thing. Do you live somewhere you feel threatened constantly? This is in no way an anti-gun post, I'm just curious is all. I love to go shooting, just never considered owning so much firepower.
For me, I guess it's part of the "preparedness mindset". At home, I like having a generator and fuel, in case the power goes out. I like having extra food and water in case the stores are closed or empty. Many of the things we carry fall under this same "In case you need it" ethos. Example: Spare tire; Winch; Hi-Lift Jack; Tow Strap; Chain Saw; Traction Aids, etc.

The worst situation I can imagine, is seeing a threat coming your way (2 or 4 legged), not being able to evade, and not having the tools to resolve the situation.
 

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For me, I guess it's part of the "preparedness mindset". At home, I like having a generator and fuel, in case the power goes out. I like having extra food and water in case the stores are closed or empty. Many of the things we carry fall under this same "In case you need it" ethos. Example: Spare tire; Winch; Hi-Lift Jack; Tow Strap; Chain Saw; Traction Aids, etc.

The worst situation I can imagine, is seeing a threat coming your way (2 or 4 legged), not being able to evade, and not having the tools to resolve the situation.
Makes total sense. I was considering buying a handgun instead of having to rent one when I go to the range. I wouldn't have an interest in carrying it at all day to day, but it may good to have around when overlanding/camping all things considered.
 
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Makes total sense. I was considering buying a handgun instead of having to rent one when I go to the range. I wouldn't have an interest in carrying it at all day to day, but it may good to have around when overlanding/camping all things considered.
In my experience there are four types of concealed carry people....
1) Carry because they think it's cool, and make sure to tell everyone about it
2) Carry occasionally, but only when it's convenient and comfortable
3) Carry whenever and wherever they legally can, but will leave the gun at home all day to permit one quick stop at the Post Office
4) Carry all day, every day, every place that they can get away with it. Concealed is concealed. Nobody should know you have it unless you have to use it.

Don't be #1.
If you're new to it, or strictly believe in the rule of law over the natural order of things, then you'll probably fall into #3.
Most CCW folks start out at #3 and either graduate to #4 or fall back on #2.
Those that fit #4 are least likely to be stuck in a situation that requires the use of a firearm, because they tend to be the most aware of their surroundings. However, there is always the risk of legal ramifications should you have to use your weapon.

Feel free to PM me, I'm always happy to discuss ethics, tactics, and methods!
 

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In my experience there are four types of concealed carry people....
1) Carry because they think it's cool, and make sure to tell everyone about it
2) Carry occasionally, but only when it's convenient and comfortable
3) Carry whenever and wherever they legally can, but will leave the gun at home all day to permit one quick stop at the Post Office
4) Carry all day, every day, every place that they can get away with it. Concealed is concealed. Nobody should know you have it unless you have to use it.

Don't be #1.
If you're new to it, or strictly believe in the rule of law over the natural order of things, then you'll probably fall into #3.
Most CCW folks start out at #3 and either graduate to #4 or fall back on #2.
Those that fit #4 are least likely to be stuck in a situation that requires the use of a firearm, because they tend to be the most aware of their surroundings. However, there is always the risk of legal ramifications should you have to use your weapon.

Feel free to PM me, I'm always happy to discuss ethics, tactics, and methods!
Yeah, #1 bugs me, and that's concealed. Here in WA, you can open carry. Always fun to be sitting at the bar with your wife, and some guy you don't know pulls up a chair next to her, handgun on his waist, and orders a whiskey and a beer... ugh.

I'm pretty sure if I end up buying a handgun in the future, it'd just sit in a fingerprint lock box in my house unless I'm going to the range, or out overlanding/camping.

I'll message you when that day comes though. Thanks!
 

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Makes total sense. I was considering buying a handgun instead of having to rent one when I go to the range. I wouldn't have an interest in carrying it at all day to day, but it may good to have around when overlanding/camping all things considered.
If you opt to purchase a firearm, please train with it. This is of paramount importance. You can easily purchase a gun without even knowing how to load the thing... Professional law enforcement officers still struggle to appropriately apply deadly force in emergent situations, and an untrained civilian carrying a "bad ass" gun they fire twice a year at a range is more likely to cause harm than mitigate it. I own guns, and I'm not anti-gun, but I don't daily-carry because I recognize that I haven't put the work in to safely do so, and I probably won't. Even for occasional use when camping, you should know the weapon very well...

Be safe out there!
 

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If you opt to purchase a firearm, please train with it. This is of paramount importance. You can easily purchase a gun without even knowing how to load the thing... Professional law enforcement officers still struggle to appropriately apply deadly force in emergent situations, and an untrained civilian carrying a "bad ass" gun they fire twice a year at a range is more likely to cause harm than mitigate it. I own guns, and I'm not anti-gun, but I don't daily-carry because I recognize that I haven't put the work in to safely do so, and I probably won't. Even for occasional use when camping, you should know the weapon very well...

Be safe out there!
Truth! I totally agree with you, which is why I haven't bought one yet. Been going to ranges since I was a teenager. Fired plenty of handguns, rifles, and shotguns for many many years, but have never had any official training.
 

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If you opt to purchase a firearm, please train with it. This is of paramount importance. You can easily purchase a gun without even knowing how to load the thing... Professional law enforcement officers still struggle to appropriately apply deadly force in emergent situations, and an untrained civilian carrying a "bad ass" gun they fire twice a year at a range is more likely to cause harm than mitigate it. I own guns, and I'm not anti-gun, but I don't daily-carry because I recognize that I haven't put the work in to safely do so, and I probably won't. Even for occasional use when camping, you should know the weapon very well...

Be safe out there!
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Most of the travel I do is through New England. Connecticut up into Vermont to be exact - and the only place carrying a firearm would be an issue is through Massachusetts; but hasn't been in 5 years.
With that being said, if you have the means to carry - carry. I'm not worried about another person trying to get the drop on me - but a Moose or Bear can be a really nasty surprise that I would like to have a little firepower to ready myself for. I will say, however, I have had a reoccurring dream since I was a kid that I got into a fight with a bear with only a hatchet to defend me.............

And yes, in some states its illegal to carry in an establishment serving beer or liquor.
 
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As someone who doesn't even own a gun, I can't relate to the always armed thing. Do you live somewhere you feel threatened constantly? This is in no way an anti-gun post, I'm just curious is all. I love to go shooting, just never considered owning so much firepower.
I work with violent offenders, some with gang ties or substance dependence issues. I have had some minor threats in the past when the patient didn't like my recommendation to their judge. In the past I have lived in very bad areas, and even in my relatively safe suburb, there have been violent crimes. Just two blocks from my home a store owner was killed in a robbery.

Part of the reason I own a variety of guns is because, well, it's fun. I like shooting a variety of firearms, all the ones I want in the future are very different from what I have now.
 

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I work with violent offenders, some with gang ties or substance dependence issues. I have had some minor threats in the past when the patient didn't like my recommendation to their judge. In the past I have lived in very bad areas, and even in my relatively safe suburb, there have been violent crimes. Just two blocks from my home a store owner was killed in a robbery.

Part of the reason I own a variety of guns is because, well, it's fun. I like shooting a variety of firearms, all the ones I want in the future are very different from what I have now.
Don't know Utah law but I'll throw this out there..........I hope, due to your profession, you got fast tracked to a CCW permit. My FIL ran the water treatment plant for the local state prison. They use prisoners for working parties. They approached him with the application package. He's been retired from there for years and still gets it renewed due to that.