Enthusiast III
No doubt Jeep is the leader and the bar is set very high. I agree that nobody has presented a true challenge to Jeep. Even if the Bronco dies again, at the very least it'll prompt Jeep to continue innovating and keep them from becoming complacent. Competition between the manufacturers is good for customers.
Advocate II
Enthusiast I
Congratulations.
Influencer I
Enthusiast III
I agree, that's too rich for my blood. But what version was it and whith what options?
We took possession at the end of October. We've had it offroad once: vehicle/function familiarization for me and training/learning experience for my wife. On road - it handles fantastic, especially with the lift and large tires. It's toooo soon to speak of offroading, due to time allowance and not wanting to "AZ pinstripe" the hell out of it (still looking for trails that won't pinstripe but still offer challenges). Like everything, it has it's quirks, depending on what your experiences are. The soft top has noise, a little noise only heard when radio is off; but by comparison, my 2015 JK 2dr has a soft top and 1/2 doors...so anything is quiet in comparison
. Space-wise, it feels like it has greater interior room to move within the seats. the arm positions on the door are softer/angled better than the hard spots on the JK. I can't speak of rear-leg room differences as I have a 2 door to compare it to but from what I've seen/read, it's as roomy, if not roomier than the Jeeps. We got the 2.7 and there really is no comparison to the 3.6; acceleration, top speed, shift points...all are excellent; Ford is having a few issues with some engines but it's not the norm. I'm not a fanboy of any brand, I buy for what I want to use/need. Ford is struggling with some items here/there but it's been a good vehicle for US.... I do look forward to seeing what Jeep does in response, aside from throwing an over-priced Hemi in it .It's not too far off from the pricing when you see all you get (it's not just big tires/lift). Yes, it has a lift and 35" tires BUT it includes: beadlock rims (not a standard rim), their High Offroad Speed Suspension (HOSS), upgraded gearing (4.7 vs xxx) and locking differentials on both front and rear. If you price it out individually, I think it would be more expensive after-market; and this is ordered from the factory, negating any "after-market parts warranty issues" (I know, they'll deny claim whenever they can).
We took possession at the end of October. We've had it offroad once: vehicle/function familiarization for me and training/learning experience for my wife. On road - it handles fantastic, especially with the lift and large tires. It's toooo soon to speak of offroading, due to time allowance and not wanting to "AZ pinstripe" the hell out of it (still looking for trails that won't pinstripe but still offer challenges). Like everything, it has it's quirks, depending on what your experiences are. The soft top has noise, a little noise only heard when radio is off; but by comparison, my 2015 JK 2dr has a soft top and 1/2 doors...so anything is quiet in comparison
Enthusiast I
I have a Badlands/Sasquatch coming........sometime.We took possession at the end of October. We've had it offroad once: vehicle/function familiarization for me and training/learning experience for my wife. On road - it handles fantastic, especially with the lift and large tires. It's toooo soon to speak of offroading, due to time allowance and not wanting to "AZ pinstripe" the hell out of it (still looking for trails that won't pinstripe but still offer challenges). Like everything, it has it's quirks, depending on what your experiences are. The soft top has noise, a little noise only heard when radio is off; but by comparison, my 2015 JK 2dr has a soft top and 1/2 doors...so anything is quiet in comparison
What else does Jeep HAVE to do? I beleive we are looking at a 1980's, 90's Japanese import situation here. All Toyota and Honda had to do was keep doing what they were doing. The American cars had to catch up on quality and fuel efficiency, and even when they did, word had to spread and trust had to be developed.
Jeep has been doing this since 1941 with the originals, the CJ's and Wranglers. Ford jumped in during the 1960's. Then jumped out of this market well over 25 years ago. And just for back in and are experiencing issues with hard tops and engines. This on again, off again, on again stuff? Ford is the one that has to prove themselves here. Jeep could make no changes at all for the next 5 years and still have the market cornered. The Hemi is a game changer. Jeep has an "Overland" trim level. Imagine if they made that trim level live up to its name and produce something official and ready made that is like the GMC Canyon's Overlandx on the That would about catapult Jeep Gladiator platform? Or even the 4 door wrangler? What else IS there to do?
Aside from what Toyhas already accomplished with the Tacoma and 4Runner, the only thing I could see that would truly threaten Jeep Wrangler is if Ford stays the course for decades with the Bronco, and if Chevy hadn't botched the new Blazer and made a real K5, and if Ford went one better and made a full sizee Bronco 2 door as well.
By the way, the FJ looks like it could return in electric form.
But I am rooting for the new Fors Bronco. I really am
Enthusiast III
It was the $ 15K ABOVE sticker that put a bad taste in my mouth.
you misspelled gimmick.
Enthusiast III
I can get beadlocks for 300 bucks a pop, add tires, the lift I can get a really good one for 2500. Rear locker is all that is needed. 700 dollars. Thats a far way off the 8g for the ss package. The "hoss" package is bilstien shocks and a lift, with auto disconnect swaybars. Not worth it.
Get it wrapped to protect the paint. The flat black wraps look great.We took possession at the end of October. We've had it offroad once: vehicle/function familiarization for me and training/learning experience for my wife. On road - it handles fantastic, especially with the lift and large tires. It's toooo soon to speak of offroading, due to time allowance and not wanting to "AZ pinstripe" the hell out of it (still looking for trails that won't pinstripe but still offer challenges). Like everything, it has it's quirks, depending on what your experiences are. The soft top has noise, a little noise only heard when radio is off; but by comparison, my 2015 JK 2dr has a soft top and 1/2 doors...so anything is quiet in comparison
Jeep needs an engine and transmission that we can be proud of, and one that's as flawlessly reliable as the YJ/TJ/LJ era was. Maybe lose a few pounds of porky nonsense like the speaker bar. Install a dashboard designed by a grown adult.
Turbo is just a windmill waiting to break, as far as I'm concerned. But yes, I'm sure the 4.2 of th YJ era or the 4.0 most XJ's and 2nd gen Grands used could be lightened and updated to provide better power and efficiency.
