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For those of us that don’t have much of or any extra disposable income how do you fund your expeditions and your rigs needs? IMG_3760.JPG For me it has been collecting scrap and hauling stuff for people. This was good for the last couple years but it’s quickly drying up and the prices of scrap have fallen to the point it’s not worth doing it part time after your expenses. Looking for ideas...
 
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I used to be a mechanic so I tend to take on automotive repair side jobs when I need extra cash. Or some random build this or that for someone. I have collected a decent amount of tools over the years and a little skill with them. And thanks to that we have always managed to come out all right.
 

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I am a contract engineer and work away from home a lot. My average work week is 70 hours. My problem isn't so much paying for it but having the time off. I fly back to Colorado every couple of months for 4-6 days to see the family. This last time I went back the smoke in the mountains was so bad you couldn't see the mountains, so I stayed home and worked on the honey do list.

Tom's tip on building a project. When you are too busy to go and are working too much you most likely have a few extra bucks. Plan your project and start procuring parts/tools a little at a time. Then when you have the time off and are not making money, you have the parts to build with.
 

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Surely I'm not alone in this, but our trips are something we budget and save for months in advance. A short 1 or 2 nighter to a state park is easy, we can normally wiggle that into our monthly budget, its really just $50 in gas and some food, plus a state park fee or two.
The bigger trips mean a lot more gas for us, and a lot more requisite project on our rig. Before my wife and I got into overlanding, we would take a vacation once a year, and it normally meant flying somewhere and staying in a hotel for a few nights, plus some camping and backpacking. We also made more money then, and didn't have a child, rented a cheap apartment, etc. We had more resources then. Overlanding is honestly a lot cheaper than that. Our budget for a 10-14 day trip through Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico next year is a little over $1000, and most of that is just gas and food. That's a trip we're planning over a year away, and we're already saving for it.
We also take into account projects and work we want/need to do on our rig, and if its requisite for the trip we prioritize that too. Us getting out with our daughter in nature, and taking family oriented trips is a big priority for us (not just me), so we save as a family for it, and its one of the big priorities reflected in our monthly and quarterly budgets.

We don't have a ton of money either. I work full time, my wife works part time, our daughter is in day care part time, we're fine but I wouldn't say we live in the lap of luxury. You can do an awful lot of things with your money when you budget and plan carefully.

I'm aware this doesn't necessarily apply to someone who is the sole overlander in their family. One of my good buddies has a slightly built 4runner, and does a guys trip to Moab once a year. Loves offroading and camping. But his wife doesn't like camping at all, so if he does anything its either him and his buddies, or them plus their kids. His perspective on spending money on those trips and rig upgrades is totally different than mine, because its not a FAMILY priority, its just a personal priority for him.
 

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I'm surprised no one has said "I'm in debt up to my neck" as I suspect that is a common way of doing this stuff! :D Financed cars, credit for fuel, etc.... ;)

(As accurate as the above statement may seem for some I say it in jest knowing full well that's not the best way to do it!)

For most stuff, our budget determines our travel goal, not the other way around. Our biggest variable cost is our fuel. We know our fuel calculations are not too far off when we say we will use 20 liters/100 kilometres (Jeep gets 14, Bike gets 4.5, that combined is 18.5 so the 20 L/100 gives us a budget buffer). We get an average price for our route by gas buddy and usually increase it by 10-15%. Our food costs are pretty static no matter where we are. The nature of my wife's work means when we travel there's an opportunity cost as well (she is paid hourly and thus, time off = no pay). So we calculate all that stuff together in terms of our available resources, and then we decide where we can afford to go. Some bucket list items means we save year after year to make 'em work, but most of our trips are dictated by dollars.

In terms of where our rigs are at, we do a lot of home-made solutions and we do all of our own maintenance that cut our costs down and frees up some income to go to our trips. When we have to purchase, we try to wait for group buys or sales or if possible we buy used. Sometimes, though, we have to pay full retail.

There's only two ways to increase your expedition funds -- make more money, or spend less money on other things. We try for the first but obviously that can be outside our control, so instead we focus on the second. We currently live in a really cheap house in a rougher part of town that keeps our mortgage payments low. It's simple, but we are comfy and happy. We use coupons and buy in bulk and plan our weekly groceries out week-by-week to try to keep that low and do one shop instead of 3 or 4 -- those little purchases add up. Most folks I speak to who "wish they could get into it but don't have the money" actually DO have the money, they just choose to spend it elsewhere -- which is totally fine! Just different priorities.

If a person gets a household budget application like Mint or You Need A Budget and gets a handle on where their money is going every month, they may be in a better position to afford some stuff. We used to really enjoy wine, but a bottle of wine a few times a week (Say, $15 per bottle twice a week) works out to $1560/year. That's enough cash based on my napkin math to ride my bike to Tuktoyuktuk and back three times! Another $500, and we'd be able to do a bike-and-jeep trip. But its easy to spend the $15 bucks on a Friday and again on a Saturday, or buy that lunch at work twice a week because I 'forgot' to bring one from home. We used to be a bit like goldfish when it comes to their finances -- We grow to fill the space we're given.

Adventure doesn't need to be expensive, even though I get that this is a trend in the vehicle-dependent-travel community. For folks who can afford the $110,000 for a tricked out defender and another $25,000 for the tent, fridge, alu-cab, and Expo-cool trinkets and farkles, more power to them and I'm so glad they have those resources. But give me just $10,000 and I'll buy a brand new KLR 650 and travel around the world with spare change left over. If I shop used, I could do it for far less. If I recall, this is a challenge Scott Brady wrote about a few years ago. A person can do a lot of adventuring with a lot less money, it just might mean changing the attitude. Do you need the $400 integrated tailgate table when you can get a plastic one from Costco for $50? Do you really need a table at all, or can you make due cooking on your fender or hood? Your money, your choice, but I would never let the desire for a better piece of gear get in the way of doing something cool. It just might change the cool thing a little bit.

And to be clear -- we far and away do NOT have this all figured out and we are constantly making mistakes with our budget. The above is an example of a different way of thinking on funding these trips. Don't worry about making more money -- worry about spending less.

Edit: Actually, worry about both. But not TOO much. Worry is like a rocking chair after all -- gives you something to do at the end of the day you're still just sitting there!
 
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Like the man said, cut your expenses and save up. I make a lot of money in my field but I also end up having to work away from home most of the time and go without income between projects for months on end.

My kids give me heck because my vehicle is 34 years old and say I need a new one. I keep it in like new condition and don't have a car payment. I eat boiled eggs for breakfast and a cup-o-noodles for lunch at work. My breakfast and lunch cost me less than a buck every day. I squirrel the money back for upgrades and trips. I make it a game to try and find the cheapest way to do everything. While at the same time don't blow what I save.

I designed and built my teardrop over 4 years by doing this.
 

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I wish I was handy. I'm not. I'm learning.

What I am good at is what I do for a living. I own my own company that helps companies with their online marketing. What this means is that as long as I have an Internet signal I can do my work from anywhere in the world. + I spent 20 years in the military and retired so I collect a bit of a pension and have our medical and dental covered.

So we're blessed to have a decent income and benefits, but I'm in agreement with @IronJackWhitton and @old_man that you don't need the latest and greatest equipment to start an adventure. 5 years ago we bought a 10 year old RV and started traveling the country full time. I could have gotten a brand new shiny one with all the bells and whistles, but we would have had payments. The 10 year old rig I paid cash for and had no payments.

We've recently caught the overlanding bug and are gearing up our Jeep for overlanding adventures as we speak. Funny thing is that on my Jeep I'm much more particular. It is my baby. So I don't mind spending a little coin for the gear that I want on it. Having said that if you are handy or have any kind of DIY skills, there is great wisdom in what was said above.

Simply put, I don't have it.

So we're putting some pretty nice gear on our Jeep. But we've "gamified" it a bit. We like to eat out... A LOT. We will typically spend $50-80 per dinner when we eat out and on average we eat out about 4-6 nights per week. So... we've started a little game where every time we eat at home we count it as $50 towards overlanding gear that we want for our trip. It might sound simple, but it definitely makes us more conscious of our discretionary spending and gives us a goal. For example, I really want the Garmin InReach Explorer + for our trip into Mexico. But at the price tag of $450 that's a hard pill to swallow. But the reality is that when you think of it, I spend that easily going out to eat 9 times. So.. by intentionally staying at home for dinner 9 times, I can pretty much offset that cost.

That's what we're currently doing. I think this would apply to anyone who has the resources to overland regardless of their income level. Just take a look at what you are spending your discretionary dollars on and start a game with yourself.

It could be smokes, beer, soda, golf, bowling heck whatever you spend your money on and when you are going to go out, consider taking that money and setting it aside for some of the gear or upgrades you want. You'd be surprised how fast even sodas add up!

My best to everyone along their own personal journey!

Eric AKA Jeepsies
 

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I'm surprised no one has said "I'm in debt up to my neck" as I suspect that is a common way of doing this stuff! :D Financed cars, credit for fuel, etc.... ;)

(As accurate as the above statement may seem for some I say it in jest knowing full well that's not the best way to do it!)

For most stuff, our budget determines our travel goal, not the other way around. Our biggest variable cost is our fuel. We know our fuel calculations are not too far off when we say we will use 20 liters/100 kilometres (Jeep gets 14, Bike gets 4.5, that combined is 18.5 so the 20 L/100 gives us a budget buffer). We get an average price for our route by gas buddy and usually increase it by 10-15%. Our food costs are pretty static no matter where we are. The nature of my wife's work means when we travel there's an opportunity cost as well (she is paid hourly and thus, time off = no pay). So we calculate all that stuff together in terms of our available resources, and then we decide where we can afford to go. Some bucket list items means we save year after year to make 'em work, but most of our trips are dictated by dollars.

In terms of where our rigs are at, we do a lot of home-made solutions and we do all of our own maintenance that cut our costs down and frees up some income to go to our trips. When we have to purchase, we try to wait for group buys or sales or if possible we buy used. Sometimes, though, we have to pay full retail.

There's only two ways to increase your expedition funds -- make more money, or spend less money on other things. We try for the first but obviously that can be outside our control, so instead we focus on the second. We currently live in a really cheap house in a rougher part of town that keeps our mortgage payments low. It's simple, but we are comfy and happy. We use coupons and buy in bulk and plan our weekly groceries out week-by-week to try to keep that low and do one shop instead of 3 or 4 -- those little purchases add up. Most folks I speak to who "wish they could get into it but don't have the money" actually DO have the money, they just choose to spend it elsewhere -- which is totally fine! Just different priorities.

If a person gets a household budget application like Mint or You Need A Budget and gets a handle on where their money is going every month, they may be in a better position to afford some stuff. We used to really enjoy wine, but a bottle of wine a few times a week (Say, $15 per bottle twice a week) works out to $1560/year. That's enough cash based on my napkin math to ride my bike to Tuktoyuktuk and back three times! Another $500, and we'd be able to do a bike-and-jeep trip. But its easy to spend the $15 bucks on a Friday and again on a Saturday, or buy that lunch at work twice a week because I 'forgot' to bring one from home. We used to be a bit like goldfish when it comes to their finances -- We grow to fill the space we're given.

Adventure doesn't need to be expensive, even though I get that this is a trend in the vehicle-dependent-travel community. For folks who can afford the $110,000 for a tricked out defender and another $25,000 for the tent, fridge, alu-cab, and Expo-cool trinkets and farkles, more power to them and I'm so glad they have those resources. But give me just $10,000 and I'll buy a brand new KLR 650 and travel around the world with spare change left over. If I shop used, I could do it for far less. If I recall, this is a challenge Scott Brady wrote about a few years ago. A person can do a lot of adventuring with a lot less money, it just might mean changing the attitude. Do you need the $400 integrated tailgate table when you can get a plastic one from Costco for $50? Do you really need a table at all, or can you make due cooking on your fender or hood? Your money, your choice, but I would never let the desire for a better piece of gear get in the way of doing something cool. It just might change the cool thing a little bit.

And to be clear -- we far and away do NOT have this all figured out and we are constantly making mistakes with our budget. The above is an example of a different way of thinking on funding these trips. Don't worry about making more money -- worry about spending less.

Edit: Actually, worry about both. But not TOO much. Worry is like a rocking chair after all -- gives you something to do at the end of the day you're still just sitting there!
I just want to say, props for YNAB. Using it has legitimately changed our financial life. It’s a great tool.

Also, I have a feeling OLB has a much smaller percentage of “credit card overlanders” than average. I get the impression a lot of people on here have similar values to what’s been discussed in this thread. Namely living within ones means, being responsible with resources, and making adventuring work with those priorities. And not buying the latest flashy new gear just to impress people.
 

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I'm not a car guy really. Most of what I've learned is all from watching youtube and internet research. I've found that working on cars and building stuff is simpler than it seems at first blush.
Same here. I'm about as far away from being a mechanic as you can get. Once I bought my '63 SIIa 88 Land Rover I was bound and determined to become a good enough mechanic to at least work on and fix my rig.

Each time I do work on ot I think of 1) the skill aquired and knowledge furthered; 2) the money saved in labor cost that can be spent towards gear and adventures.
 

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I just want to say, props for YNAB. Using it has legitimately changed our financial life. It’s a great tool.

Also, I have a feeling OLB has a much smaller percentage of “credit card overlanders” than average. I get the impression a lot of people on here have similar values to what’s been discussed in this thread. Namely living within ones means, being responsible with resources, and making adventuring work with those priorities. And not buying the latest flashy new gear just to impress people.
Just mentioned YNAB to SWMBO. Something else you might want to look at, and she REALLY likes, is the Dave Ramsey website and program.

We're not rolling in dough by any means, but it has allowed us a financial cushion that makes life easier.
 
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I wish I was handy. I'm not. I'm learning.

What I am good at is what I do for a living. I own my own company that helps companies with their online marketing. What this means is that as long as I have an Internet signal I can do my work from anywhere in the world. + I spent 20 years in the military and retired so I collect a bit of a pension and have our medical and dental covered......
I didn't quote the whole post but you bring up an interesting part of the equation that also hasn't been mentioned -- time. The mechanical stuff and home-brew solutions can be daunting but if I have a piece of mission critical kit that I'm not confident I can make myself, it's to the catalogue I go. But, I enjoy the work. I like wrenching on my car, I like fabricating brackets and tire carriers with my little mig welder, and that kind of thing. I estimate I've saved $10,000 + on my rig doing maintenance alone; if you add in the bike and home-made accessories I can see that number being north of $15 or $20k. But, that doesn't account for my time which if I was doing so at my hourly wage at work I'd be at break-even at best. It's a hobby to me, though, so I don't consider it 'work'.

That being said -- Jeepsies rig is amazing, and his approach to spending the money up front to get quality is the right way to do it if thats how one chooses to build up their rig to what they want. I often look at the commercial solutions and try to build my own; but if I can't make something at least as good, I won't tackle that project. Cheap gear is like any other cheap tool -- my experience is you'll end up spending way more in the long run replacing stuff.

The middle ground is buy-cheap-and-fix-often, which can be fun too if you like tinkering, but if it's critical to the trip it's a risk I think. I'd hate to call off a big expedition that I was planning and spending money preparing for over several months all because a critical part I bought to save a few hundred bucks craps out at the last second.

My wife and I don't do a lot of the usual couple stuff -- some couples date at restaurants or shows, instead we'll spend an evening wrenching in the garage on Date Night since we both like it. Just last weekend we had the top of the motor off to install a new sensor (second time this year!) and it cost us a total of about $60 (and saved us about $500), but we thoroughly enjoyed the time spent together. If she didn't like to do that stuff with me, I'd be spending time with her doing something else, and then the prospect of paying someone to do those jobs changes a bit if we can afford them.

I'd rather have an hour with those I love and be forever cursed to forever drive a 10 year old civic than have the latest greatest overlanding rig with all the bells and whistles and not have that time!
 
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I didn't quote the whole post but you bring up an interesting part of the equation that also hasn't been mentioned -- time.
Like my signature says, "I can always make more money, I can never make more time."

Through the years (and many friends who have passed from this world) I've learned that the most valuable commodity that we all have in equal measure is time.

We each get 24 hours in a day and we each have to choose how to spend that time that can never be regained. There is a cost associated with time for sure. Personally I'd rather pay someone $500 to do what would cost me $60 to do if it means I have 5 more hours to spend doing something else that I want to do. Having said that, I'm all about learning. So I consider learning valuable too. I tell people all the time, "I'm ignorant, not stupid. Teach me, and I'll learn." So if I have a buddy willing to invest their precious commodity of time to teach me something then I consider that time well spent.

Always love your insight @IronJackWhitton thanks for chiming in.

Eric AKA Jeepsies

P.S. I love the fact that you and your wife like to wrench together! That my friend is time well spent.
 
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My wife and I don't do a lot of the usual couple stuff -- some couples date at restaurants or shows, instead we'll spend an evening wrenching in the garage on Date Night since we both like it.

I'd rather have an hour with those I love and be forever cursed to forever drive a 10 year old civic than have the latest greatest overlanding rig with all the bells and whistles and not have that time!
We are the same way.

SWMBO has been up to her nose in the dirt, grime, oil and crud with helping me rebuild my rig. A couple days ago she helped me scrape off the old oil, crud and paint that was on the rims in order to take them in for sandblasting. Yesterday she went with me to the sandblaster's and helped unload them and a few other parts. She then insisted we go by the paint shop and see how the paint process was coming along. Unfortunately she decided she wanted to stop and look at shoes and purses while on the way home.

Here she is working on the bulkhead helping me get it ready for the paint shop.

 

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We are the same way.

SWMBO has been up to her nose in the dirt, grime, oil and crud with helping me rebuild my rig. A couple days ago she helped me scrape off the old oil, crud and paint that was on the rims in order to take them in for sandblasting. Yesterday she went with me to the sandblaster's and helped unload them and a few other parts. She then insisted we go by the paint shop and see how the paint process was coming along. Unfortunately she decided she wanted to stop and look at shoes and purses while on the way home.
The joy of compromise :D Glad you guys can share your interests though!! Also, +1 on the Dave Ramsey site; Mr. Money Mustache (https://www.mrmoneymustache.com) used to have some good stuff and for Canadians, Gail Vaz Oxlade (I think that's her name) has a good show on TV all about debt rescue and a few good books too. All this stuff is easy to say, hard to do, so whatever system works is the best one!

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Always love your insight @IronJackWhitton thanks for chiming in.

Eric AKA Jeepsies

P.S. I love the fact that you and your wife like to wrench together! That my friend is time well spent.
Thanks for the kind words! I also find I am a better mechanic with her around. There's a voice of reason always saying "Take a step back and look at it" rather than if I'm on my own, the blood gets boiling on a stuck bolt and next thing you know I've wrecked a part due to frustration.

I really like your idea of gamification of the dollars too, I might look at seeing if we can work that into our practice!


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I just want to say, props for YNAB. Using it has legitimately changed our financial life. It’s a great tool.

Also, I have a feeling OLB has a much smaller percentage of “credit card overlanders” than average. I get the impression a lot of people on here have similar values to what’s been discussed in this thread. Namely living within ones means, being responsible with resources, and making adventuring work with those priorities. And not buying the latest flashy new gear just to impress people.
I love YNAB, and highly recommend it to friends and family as not just a budget software but as a way of thinking about money. In our first month we had $400 extra bucks that we normally would have spent without realizing it and were able to give that money the job of paying down a bit of debt. WELL worth the $80/year or whatever it is. Glad to see others are using it too!