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What brake type and brand do you fellas recommend?

I have a heavy load on my Taco and I’m due for some new brakes.

Within the last year I’ve added a substantial amount of weight (rooftop tent; 270° awning; shower awning; metal bumpers front and back; winch; dual battery system; frig; 1.5ton jack; decked storage system; propane; tools, recovery gear; etc.) and I want some excellent quality brakes before I head off on to the trail.

Recommendations please.

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I would think that any of the Wagner semi-metalic pads would be sufficient. The real advantage would be slotted/vented rotors. They help tremendously with brake fade on long grades.

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No offense to DanWyandt, but I put Wagner pads and rotors on my 2014 GMC Sierra shortly before heading out on a 6 thousand mile trip last May that took me from sea level to 10,000 feet and back.

I am not impressed. They did fine on the trip but have developed wobble, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Swapped out my summer wheels for my winter wheels and snow tires just yesterday and blast if there wasnt much more than 3 or 4 mm of meat left.

The heaviest duty GM brake pads and rotors lasted me more than 2 years, no wobble at all, and still had 3mm left. I swapped them out of an abundance of caution. Next time I stay with the top of the line GM's.

Thought about the PowerStop Truck & Tow drilled and slotted but never tried them. I went with the Wagners instead because they were right down the street and the guys said "oh yeah, well Wagner makes the top of the line GM ones. Same stuff."

Uh...fooled me once. Wont happen again
 
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Top picture = the GM stuff I took off after well over two years. Look at all that meat left!

Bottom picture = the new Wagner stuff when it went on back in may.

Now I have wobble and not much life left in them. Paid half what i would have paid for the GM stuff. Well, so there goes your proof.
 
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Typically run Car Quests platinum house brand, and have been very happy on my lighter rigs (I do use cross drilled rotors). Flush my brake fluid every 2 years to help prevent any issues with the calipers sticking and heating up the brakes. I did go with a full power stop pad and rotor setup on the one ton dually and it did make a noticeable difference in wear rate, stopping power, and overall brake temperature after descending a long pass
 

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No offense to DanWyandt, but I put Wagner pads and rotors on my 2014 GMC Sierra shortly before heading out on a 6 thousand mile trip last May that took me from sea level to 10,000 feet and back.

I am not impressed. They did fine on the trip but have developed wobble, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Swapped out my summer wheels for my winter wheels and snow tires just yesterday and blast if there wasnt much more than 3 or 4 mm of meat left.

The heaviest duty GM brake pads and rotors lasted me more than 2 years, no wobble at all, and still had 3mm left. I swapped them out of an abundance of caution. Next time I stay with the top of the line GM's.

Thought about the PowerStop Truck & Tow drilled and slotted but never tried them. I went with the Wagners instead because they were right down the street and the guys said "oh yeah, well Wagner makes the top of the line GM ones. Same stuff."

Uh...fooled me once. Wont happen again
No offense taken. I used the powerstop kit w/drilled,slotte, vented rotors. The pads lasted about 20k miles. I replaced with the Wagner semi-metalic, have 18k on them, and better than 50% left. I think the pads may have done better on the upgraded rotors.
 

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I highly recommend Remmen brakes (Brake Upgrades for the Enthusiast and Adventurous - Remmen Brakes). I have had them on my 5th Gen 4Runner for approximately 6 months, and I am very happy with the performance and life of the pads both on and off road. The dirt here in North Carolina really seemed to tear up the Toyota brand pads quickly when I did much off road/trail driving but the Remmen brakes have really lived up to their claims in my experience.
 
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What brake type and brand do you fellas recommend?

I have a heavy load on my Taco and I’m due for some new brakes.

Within the last year I’ve added a substantial amount of weight (rooftop tent; 270° awning; shower awning; metal bumpers front and back; winch; dual battery system; frig; 1.5ton jack; decked storage system; propane; tools, recovery gear; etc.) and I want some excellent quality brakes before I head off on to the trail.

Recommendations please.

Thanks.
Thanks.
For stopping power semi metallic pads are better, but cause dirty wheels and wear faster. Ceramic pads don't create as much dust, wear much longer, cost more but brakes less efficiently. I never recommended ceramic brakes for trucks that haul large loads. Better to have a dirty wheel, than a lawsuit. LOL
Also the current stock of rotors at most parts stores are junk shit metal from china. (will warp faster with hard braking) Consider a upgrade on the rotors.
Zim
 
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No offense to DanWyandt, but I put Wagner pads and rotors on my 2014 GMC Sierra shortly before heading out on a 6 thousand mile trip last May that took me from sea level to 10,000 feet and back.

I am not impressed. They did fine on the trip but have developed wobble, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Swapped out my summer wheels for my winter wheels and snow tires just yesterday and blast if there wasnt much more than 3 or 4 mm of meat left.

The heaviest duty GM brake pads and rotors lasted me more than 2 years, no wobble at all, and still had 3mm left. I swapped them out of an abundance of caution. Next time I stay with the top of the line GM's.

Thought about the PowerStop Truck & Tow drilled and slotted but never tried them. I went with the Wagners instead because they were right down the street and the guys said "oh yeah, well Wagner makes the top of the line GM ones. Same stuff."

Uh...fooled me once. Wont happen again
Showing my ignorance, but GM as in General Motors?
 
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No offense to DanWyandt, but I put Wagner pads and rotors on my 2014 GMC Sierra shortly before heading out on a 6 thousand mile trip last May that took me from sea level to 10,000 feet and back.

I am not impressed. They did fine on the trip but have developed wobble, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Swapped out my summer wheels for my winter wheels and snow tires just yesterday and blast if there wasnt much more than 3 or 4 mm of meat left.

The heaviest duty GM brake pads and rotors lasted me more than 2 years, no wobble at all, and still had 3mm left. I swapped them out of an abundance of caution. Next time I stay with the top of the line GM's.

Thought about the PowerStop Truck & Tow drilled and slotted but never tried them. I went with the Wagners instead because they were right down the street and the guys said "oh yeah, well Wagner makes the top of the line GM ones. Same stuff."

Uh...fooled me once. Wont happen again
Showing my ignorance, but GM as in General Motors?
Yes, or my preference, General Maintenance. :)
 
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I'm currently running stock spec aftermarket disc's with ebc blackstuff pads and they are just fine, better than the mopar stuff and they cope better with dirt and mud.
Never had any problems with it, didn't experience any fading and they are not excessively eating the rotors.
Ebc also has the 4x4 greenstuff variety for some vehicles. But I wouldn't recommend them with stock rotors.
No experience with ebc disc's so far.
 

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Showing my ignorance, but GM as in General Motors?
Yes, sir. General Motors. I had thier best tier "Original Equipment" stuff on my truck. I think that replaces thier Gold or whatever they named it before. The "Advantage" branded stuff is thier budget, and "Professional " is mid range.

The top tier stuff was very very good. Hope it still is. No warping. Long lasting. Very little dust. A thousand bucks just for pads and rotors for all four corners, parts only. Some research seems to indicate they are made by Akebono?

But in my experience, this Wagner stuff was for the dogs.
 
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What brake type and brand do you fellas recommend?

I have a heavy load on my Taco and I’m due for some new brakes.

Within the last year I’ve added a substantial amount of weight (rooftop tent; 270° awning; shower awning; metal bumpers front and back; winch; dual battery system; frig; 1.5ton jack; decked storage system; propane; tools, recovery gear; etc.) and I want some excellent quality brakes before I head off on to the trail.

Recommendations please.

Thanks.
Thanks.
For stopping power semi metallic pads are better, but cause dirty wheels and wear faster. Ceramic pads don't create as much dust, wear much longer, cost more but brakes less efficiently. I never recommended ceramic brakes for trucks that haul large loads. Better to have a dirty wheel, than a lawsuit. LOL
Also the current stock of rotors at most parts stores are junk shit metal from china. (will warp faster with hard braking) Consider a upgrade on the rotors.
Zim
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No offense to DanWyandt, but I put Wagner pads and rotors on my 2014 GMC Sierra shortly before heading out on a 6 thousand mile trip last May that took me from sea level to 10,000 feet and back.

I am not impressed. They did fine on the trip but have developed wobble, and it hasn't even been a year yet. Swapped out my summer wheels for my winter wheels and snow tires just yesterday and blast if there wasnt much more than 3 or 4 mm of meat left.

The heaviest duty GM brake pads and rotors lasted me more than 2 years, no wobble at all, and still had 3mm left. I swapped them out of an abundance of caution. Next time I stay with the top of the line GM's.

Thought about the PowerStop Truck & Tow drilled and slotted but never tried them. I went with the Wagners instead because they were right down the street and the guys said "oh yeah, well Wagner makes the top of the line GM ones. Same stuff."

Uh...fooled me once. Wont happen again
No offense taken. I used the powerstop kit w/drilled,slotte, vented rotors. The pads lasted about 20k miles. I replaced with the Wagner semi-metalic, have 18k on them, and better than 50% left. I think the pads may have done better on the upgraded rotors.
What company manufactured these upgraded rotors?
 

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Here's a little about brakes and rotors.
Its all about heat and getting rid of it. The heavier you are the more heat you generate. The bigger your tires, the more leverage against the caliper and the more heat you generate. The rotor has to be able to get rid of the heat and the pad has to keep friction during the heating process. if it cant, they produce Fade Gas. Fade means loss of friction. The more you have, the less you stop.

If your stock, most brake's will work, if your moded now you need to experiment.

Pads
Look at pads the way you look at sand paper. Different types and grit of sand and diffrent grades of backing. Anything like this has a friction rating. This is referred to as COF, Coefficient of friction. Its difficult to get the manufactures friction rating especially with auto parts house brand's (duralast gold for example.) Then there's what goes into making the pad. Quality materials vs crap.

If you go to a pad with more bite (80 grit sand paper) They will grab hard but tend to not have a high temp rating and fade quickly. Higher temp pads need to warm up (dont work well cold) and require more force to stop. Think of these in the 250 and up grit. Your metallic pads tend to have a good temp with mid level grip and ceramics have a higher rating and less grip.

What does all that mean? It means unless you know the specs on the pads, you cant really compare. You now go by what someone recommends. Unfortunately when someone recommends something its by brand and not by spec. Think of that like sports shoes, you buy a brand because its what someone recommends but they don't work for you because your using a soccer shoe to play basketball. You now hate that brand. No one told you that particular type didn't match what you needed.
If that particular brand works for you, cool.

Rotor's
Rotors have to be able to get rid of heat. How do you know your rotors are up to par? Look at the color. Is the color even? Are there spots and cracks. Dark rotors mean their running hot but unless you see bluing (blue spots), their fine. If your generating too much heat you need to step up and buy better rotors. Most OE rotors are good quality. Good quality of cast iron and a moderate amount of nickel for strength. The "cheaper" brands run low nickel and a lesser grade of iron. Those are fine if your not hard on your brakes.

I run a real grabby stop tech metallic pad. I can almost lock up my 35" BFG's on my heavy vehicle. BUT, these pads will annihilate a low nickel rotor. They have decent bite cold and I haven't had significant fade yet on mountain roads. I don't drive easy on anything I own either. I have tried most brands of brakes including house brands and various performance brands.

Here are two very good resource for brakes White paper 1. Read about bed in and bleeding. White paper 2. read here about "warped rotors".
 

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Well @smritte wrote some wise words and that's actually the reason I told you about the specific pads I use after I checked that they make them for the Tacoma.
If you go and read about the blackstuff or ultimax2 pads you will see that they are meant to wear instead of killing rotors.
They take away the heat from the rotors better than most stock pads do and cause very even wear patter given the amount of dirt and crap they have seen and the braking power is a little bit better than stock.
So this is personal experience on my jeep wrangler jku over the last few years.

In addition... I'm having bad luck with brakes or was a bit hard on them I don't know but I dealt with it overly often.
I'm not really sure what is actually available but whenever I had trouble I solved it with ebc blackstuff oder Ferodo DS performance pads. Best experience with rotors was Tarox zero, and also ebc premium or the drilled rotors.