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Hi Overlanders,

Thank you for allowing me to join you in this journey of exploring.

I am in need of an overlanding rig as I currently overland on my 2012 Prius :/

It has not failed me but I am always scared my axle will break or my tires will pop.

If you know how to purchase an FJ80 or 4runner 5gen for the best price with the best mileage please let me know. I'm on a tight budget but I can't wait to go out again to explore.

My first ever trip was from San Francisco to Grand Canyon and Back and now I can't wait to get a rig to go off roading at my nearest national parks and then in Utah, Colorado, Montana and other states.

Please let me know. Thanks!
 
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You may want to think outside the Toyota box if you’re on a budget. There are many, more reasonably priced, options out there.
 
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You may want to think outside the Toyota box if you’re on a budget. There are many, more reasonably priced, options out there.
Thanks Lars! It would be great if you could mention a few make and models you recommend. Thanks!
 

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It’s in the range of $8-10k anything extra would be for the aftermarket parts
5th gen 4runner will likely be a parts car or flood ravaged basket case for $10k. I would suggest that you add the 3rd and 4th gen 4runners as well as Lexus LX and GX models into you search. the Lexus models very similar to the 4runner (GX) and Landcruiser (LX). Depending on your area they may sell for better prices for similar mileage. Check for parts cost for Lexus parts as around here they are usually 15-20% higher than the same part with the (T) badge.

Your profile shows SFO for location. based on that I found a few hits on Craigslist in your price range using the expanded model list and your price criteria :

Of these I'd probably look at the following 3 to start:
Best of luck in your search.
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5th gen 4runner will likely be a parts car or flood ravaged basket case for $10k. I would suggest that you add the 3rd and 4th gen 4runners as well as Lexus LX and GX models into you search. the Lexus models very similar to the 4runner (GX) and Landcruiser (LX). Depending on your area they may sell for better prices for similar mileage. Check for parts cost for Lexus parts as around here they are usually 15-20% higher than the same part with the (T) badge.

Your profile shows SFO for location. based on that I found a few hits on Craigslist in your price range using the expanded model list and your price criteria :

Of these I'd probably look at the following 3 to start:
Best of luck in your search.
Boort
Boort,

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me do some research on some possible models for my first Overlanding Rig. I like that 2008 toyota 4runner that you sent and am thinking about looking more into it.

My question now is, how bad is it to get a rig above 200k miles? Also, should I save a few thousand $ and buy a rig around 150k miles or 100k miles? What do you recommend?

Also, how do I watch out for scammers on craigslist?

Thanks!
 

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Boort,
Thank you so much for taking the time to help me do some research on some possible models for my first Overlanding Rig. I like that 2008 toyota 4runner that you sent and am thinking about looking more into it.

My question now is, how bad is it to get a rig above 200k miles? Also, should I save a few thousand $ and buy a rig around 150k miles or 100k miles? What do you recommend?

Also, how do I watch out for scammers on craigslist?
Thanks!
You're welcome, there are many other options out there as I'm sure others will jump in to fillin. I just went through the same set of decisions last year leading to my purchase of the 06 4Runner and others here and other forums helped me out answering questions so just trying to pay it forward. :D

Beware long post ahead TLDR at end:

If you are not in a hurry you should be able to find the right rig for you. you can book mark that search link I posted and update it's criteria as you research and refine your options. There are other sites that provide similar lists of used cars and you can do the same for them. (Here is a similar search for Cars.com https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=20482&mdId=34883&mdId=21213&mdId=21353&mdId=21381&mkId=20070&mkId=20088&page=1&perPage=20&prMx=10000&rd=250&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&showMore=true&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28881&yrId=20128&yrId=20197&yrId=20144&yrId=20145&yrId=56007&yrId=30031936&zc=94102 ) check these every day or so to get an idea for what the market for your overlander is in your area. Then you'll get a better feel for "good deals".

First let me say that my daily driver is a 97 Tacoma with 320+K miles of which I've driven all but her first 20k. She just got her first replacement clutch this June at ~323k. Replacements as I recall are: Timing belts every 60k, 2 water pumps (done with timing belts), 1 new radiator (years of rock damage), 3-4 forward O2 sensors, 1 starter, brake pads/drums/rotors (as needed), 1 set of rear shocks, 4 sets of Michelin AT2 tires (Great for on road high mileage, but would prefer Ko2's for Offroad). She currently needs new suspension all the way around, and likely a brake job before the end of the year. Previously I put 200k+ on an 86 Toyota truck at one of my jobs taking it over 400k. So 200k does not scare me that much on a Toyota but YMMV.

That said I looked long and hard to find a low mile v8 4runner (also considered a Lexus GX) with a detailed service history. I cared far more for the service history than I did about the miles. In my case the service history for my 06 was a notebook in the glove box with handwritten date/mileage entries about what was done. The truck was fastidiously taken care of. (Still has the static cling plastic covering protecting the JBL audio badges on the doors!) All recalls were done at dealerships shortly after announcement so I got a good feeling the previous owner was taking very good care of the truck. I paid a premium for this truck as the day I bought it there were 2 others within 25 miles with similar numbers for about $1k less, but each lacking in the care that the owner had put into this one.

I don't know what the market for these trucks is in Ca but here in Co they are hard to find in good condition or with low miles, because of that I think you will have a tough time finding ones under 150Kmiles and under your $10k limit. One way to help this is to save as much as you can while doing research so you can afford more truck when you find the one you want. I mentioned above that it took me about a year of research to decide on the 4runner in that time I was able to sack away a bit less than $5k doing odd jobs and saving here and there which I used to increase my down payment and the rest for my suspension upgrades.

As for scammers on craigslist. I personally have not had a problem with them. If anything sounds off or the deals seems too good to be true -- walk away. I've been buying (and to a lesser degree selling) on Craigslist since the Site came to Colorado (Denver only back then, Now they have a site for up in the High Rockies!). Ask for VIN and pull a Carfax ( https://www.carfax.com/vehicle-history-reports/ ) and VIN History report ( https://www.vehiclehistory.com/ ) I'd then rule out any rig with salvage title (unless you're mechanically minded, and equipped for the challenge), Flood damage (Gremlins! or OWNED in a place during a time it was flooded. Some places that were flooded the cars were not claimed and were simply shipped out of state, detailed, and sold to unsuspecting buyers. think Huston, New Orleans, Colorado Front Range 2013, etc...), In CA branded a "Lemon" or Accident where the airbags were deployed in these reports. If you find a rig that passes the history check and all of your visual inspections (make sure the Vin on the rig MATCHES the one you looked up!) and you're still interested in it, ask if you can leave a post dated check deposit so you can have the Rig professionally inspected. If they say "no" then assume there is something they don't want you to find, thank them for their time and walk away. If they say yes have a trusted local shop take a look at it. You'll be out of pocket about an hour at their hourly inspection rate (~$80-$150 here depending on shop).
Finally never bring cash to the deal. Arrange for them to bring title to your Credit union or Bank, have the CU/Bank staff notarize a simple automotive Bill of Sale ( https://www.dmv.org/images/bill-of-sale.pdf ) and witness the transaction. Exchange title and keys for cash/cashiers check inside the office. After the paper work is done head out to celebrate your new Overland Rig! :D


TL;DR
  • Detailed Service history trumps mileage
  • Don't be in a hurry
  • Start saving while trying to decide
  • Use common sense and listen to your gut to avoid scams.

Boort
 
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You're welcome, there are many other options out there as I'm sure others will jump in to fillin. I just went through the same set of decisions last year leading to my purchase of the 06 4Runner and others here and other forums helped me out answering questions so just trying to pay it forward. :D

Beware long post ahead TLDR at end:

If you are not in a hurry you should be able to find the right rig for you. you can book mark that search link I posted and update it's criteria as you research and refine your options. There are other sites that provide similar lists of used cars and you can do the same for them. (Here is a similar search for Cars.com https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?mdId=20482&mdId=34883&mdId=21213&mdId=21353&mdId=21381&mkId=20070&mkId=20088&page=1&perPage=20&prMx=10000&rd=250&searchSource=GN_REFINEMENT&showMore=true&sort=relevance&stkTypId=28881&yrId=20128&yrId=20197&yrId=20144&yrId=20145&yrId=56007&yrId=30031936&zc=94102 ) check these every day or so to get an idea for what the market for your overlander is in your area. Then you'll get a better feel for "good deals".

First let me say that my daily driver is a 97 Tacoma with 320+K miles of which I've driven all but her first 20k. She just got her first replacement clutch this June at ~323k. Replacements as I recall are: Timing belts every 60k, 2 water pumps (done with timing belts), 1 new radiator (years of rock damage), 3-4 forward O2 sensors, 1 starter, brake pads/drums/rotors (as needed), 1 set of rear shocks, 4 sets of Michelin AT2 tires (Great for on road high mileage, but would prefer Ko2's for Offroad). She currently needs new suspension all the way around, and likely a brake job before the end of the year. Previously I put 200k+ on an 86 Toyota truck at one of my jobs taking it over 400k. So 200k does not scare me that much on a Toyota but YMMV.

That said I looked long and hard to find a low mile v8 4runner (also considered a Lexus GX) with a detailed service history. I cared far more for the service history than I did about the miles. In my case the service history for my 06 was a notebook in the glove box with handwritten date/mileage entries about what was done. The truck was fastidiously taken care of. (Still has the static cling plastic covering protecting the JBL audio badges on the doors!) All recalls were done at dealerships shortly after announcement so I got a good feeling the previous owner was taking very good care of the truck. I paid a premium for this truck as the day I bought it there were 2 others within 25 miles with similar numbers for about $1k less, but each lacking in the care that the owner had put into this one.

I don't know what the market for these trucks is in Ca but here in Co they are hard to find in good condition or with low miles, because of that I think you will have a tough time finding ones under 150Kmiles and under your $10k limit. One way to help this is to save as much as you can while doing research so you can afford more truck when you find the one you want. I mentioned above that it took me about a year of research to decide on the 4runner in that time I was able to sack away a bit less than $5k doing odd jobs and saving here and there which I used to increase my down payment and the rest for my suspension upgrades.

As for scammers on craigslist. I personally have not had a problem with them. If anything sounds off or the deals seems too good to be true -- walk away. I've been buying (and to a lesser degree selling) on Craigslist since the Site came to Colorado (Denver only back then, Now they have a site for up in the High Rockies!). Ask for VIN and pull a Carfax ( https://www.carfax.com/vehicle-history-reports/ ) and VIN History report ( https://www.vehiclehistory.com/ ) I'd then rule out any rig with salvage title (unless you're mechanically minded, and equipped for the challenge), Flood damage (Gremlins! or OWNED in a place during a time it was flooded. Some places that were flooded the cars were not claimed and were simply shipped out of state, detailed, and sold to unsuspecting buyers. think Huston, New Orleans, Colorado Front Range 2013, etc...), In CA branded a "Lemon" or Accident where the airbags were deployed in these reports. If you find a rig that passes the history check and all of your visual inspections (make sure the Vin on the rig MATCHES the one you looked up!) and you're still interested in it, ask if you can leave a post dated check deposit so you can have the Rig professionally inspected. If they say "no" then assume there is something they don't want you to find, thank them for their time and walk away. If they say yes have a trusted local shop take a look at it. You'll be out of pocket about an hour at their hourly inspection rate (~$80-$150 here depending on shop).
Finally never bring cash to the deal. Arrange for them to bring title to your Credit union or Bank, have the CU/Bank staff notarize a simple automotive Bill of Sale ( https://www.dmv.org/images/bill-of-sale.pdf ) and witness the transaction. Exchange title and keys for cash/cashiers check inside the office. After the paper work is done head out to celebrate your new Overland Rig! :D


TL;DR
  • Detailed Service history trumps mileage
  • Don't be in a hurry
  • Start saving while trying to decide
  • Use common sense and listen to your gut to avoid scams.

Boort
Boort,

Wow! This will save me a ton of time and frustration. Thank you so much for taking the time to share the knowledge and experience.

I didn’t know that the bank was able to offer a bill of sale and pretty much witness the transaction and exchange. This is super cool and better once making the exchange. Also good to avoid any possible scams once deal is made at the bank.

Thank you so much and I’ll be coming back to re read this last post which has tons of good information I had no clue about.

Cheers!
 
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Boort,
Wow! This will save me a ton of time and frustration. Thank you so much for taking the time to share the knowledge and experience.
I didn’t know that the bank was able to offer a bill of sale and pretty much witness the transaction and exchange. This is super cool and better once making the exchange. Also good to avoid any possible scams once deal is made at the bank.
Thank you so much and I’ll be coming back to re read this last post which has tons of good information I had no clue about.
Cheers!
The bank does not offer a bill of sale, so you'll need to print one out and bring it with you. (I just noticed the one I linked to does not have the Notary section so this one might be better https://eforms.com/bill-of-sale/notarized/ ) Generally a seller would be the one to do this but as buyer I've insisted on it for various reasons over the years. Mainly having the transaction recorded offers me a little protection in case the item was later found to be stolen etc... A notary is an official witness who verifies the identity of 2 people and that they are both free and willingly signing the supplied documents. What notary's are allowed to do varies a bit state to state. The reason I go through the hassle of getting a notarized bill of sale is to add one last level of level of trust to the transaction. A notarized document is more binding upon the parties whose names appear in it. and can be better evidence that all signers chose enter into the transaction and verify the facts of the documents are true.

See also https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/threads/considering-buying-a-rig-or-builder.12991/ for another member with similar budget who we helped find the rig he wanted earlier this year. Same advise worked well for him.

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Paulo, while I don’t have the time for the type of detail @Boort gave you, I’ll share a few tips.

First, buying and selling items on the Internet is a bit of an acquired skill. I’ve been doing it since I was 14, and my dad started taking me along with him when he was doing a deal to buy or sell a vehicle. My point is, doing this effectively and getting a good vehicle at the end of it isn’t JUST about research and being an intelligent adult. There’s just things about this type of buying and selling that are learned from experience. The reason I mention this is it seems you don’t have much experience even researching a new vehicle purchase.

That’s alright, no big. But you need to do some research on your own. Not asking questions from strangers online (although that can be a great way to start) just soft, independent research. A few suggestions here:
1) write down everything you think you want or need in a vehicle. And everything you think you need to change from your current vehicle. Then research new vehicles with those specific variables in mind.
Example: you’re concerned about breaking an axle on your Prius. Some good research topics would be: how people break axles on trails, commonality of broken axles for the vehicles you’re considering, and whether or not it’s even a legitimate concern for your current vehicle.

2) go test drive some vehicles. Not new ones, ones that are the age and mileage you are considering. It’s free, and you’ll learn a lot. Guaranteed, there will be at least one model of vehicle you instantly cross off your list based on what you suddenly realize you don’t like about that vehicle.

3) find a friend who buys, sells cars online. Have them go with you and possibly even negotiate for you. You’ll learn a LOT.

4) literally everything Boort said.

5) find a local club or fb group that does trail rides in Jeeps or something. See if you can tag along on a couple of rides. Again, just chat and ask questions, you’ll learn a heck of a lot.
 

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The bank does not offer a bill of sale, so you'll need to print one out and bring it with you. (I just noticed the one I linked to does not have the Notary section so this one might be better https://eforms.com/bill-of-sale/notarized/ ) Generally a seller would be the one to do this but as buyer I've insisted on it for various reasons over the years. Mainly having the transaction recorded offers me a little protection in case the item was later found to be stolen etc... A notary is an official witness who verifies the identity of 2 people and that they are both free and willingly signing the supplied documents. What notary's are allowed to do varies a bit state to state. The reason I go through the hassle of getting a notarized bill of sale is to add one last level of level of trust to the transaction. A notarized document is more binding upon the parties whose names appear in it. and can be better evidence that all signers chose enter into the transaction and verify the facts of the documents are true.

See also https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/threads/considering-buying-a-rig-or-builder.12991/ for another member with similar budget who we helped find the rig he wanted earlier this year. Same advise worked well for him.

Boort
Boort,

Thank you! You and Ben have been very helpful!
 
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Paulo, while I don’t have the time for the type of detail @Boort gave you, I’ll share a few tips.

First, buying and selling items on the Internet is a bit of an acquired skill. I’ve been doing it since I was 14, and my dad started taking me along with him when he was doing a deal to buy or sell a vehicle. My point is, doing this effectively and getting a good vehicle at the end of it isn’t JUST about research and being an intelligent adult. There’s just things about this type of buying and selling that are learned from experience. The reason I mention this is it seems you don’t have much experience even researching a new vehicle purchase.

That’s alright, no big. But you need to do some research on your own. Not asking questions from strangers online (although that can be a great way to start) just soft, independent research. A few suggestions here:
1) write down everything you think you want or need in a vehicle. And everything you think you need to change from your current vehicle. Then research new vehicles with those specific variables in mind.
Example: you’re concerned about breaking an axle on your Prius. Some good research topics would be: how people break axles on trails, commonality of broken axles for the vehicles you’re considering, and whether or not it’s even a legitimate concern for your current vehicle.

2) go test drive some vehicles. Not new ones, ones that are the age and mileage you are considering. It’s free, and you’ll learn a lot. Guaranteed, there will be at least one model of vehicle you instantly cross off your list based on what you suddenly realize you don’t like about that vehicle.

3) find a friend who buys, sells cars online. Have them go with you and possibly even negotiate for you. You’ll learn a LOT.

4) literally everything Boort said.

5) find a local club or fb group that does trail rides in Jeeps or something. See if you can tag along on a couple of rides. Again, just chat and ask questions, you’ll learn a heck of a lot.
Ben,

This is awesome! I appreciate you taking the time to list some recommendations.

You’re right about everything you said. I have no experience with buying or selling cars so I really don’t know if someone is selling a POS or a good car.

I like the recommendation about joining some groups on FB and tagging along to ask questions and check out their rigs.

Thanks!
 
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@Paulo Filho one more thing, I just noticed you're in San Francisco. Have you checked out any nearby OB groups? I know OB has quite a few groups in Cali, not sure exactly where, but I'm pretty sure there's a pretty good local representation out west. Go and check out those local regional pages on this forum and try to get hooked up with a few of those guys. OB guys are, in my experience, way friendlier and more relationship driven than most people on internet forums. I'm sure you'd be able to find some more help from those cats. I'd be willing to bet you could even find someone who would go and check out a few potential rigs with you.
 

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@Paulo Filho one more thing, I just noticed you're in San Francisco. Have you checked out any nearby OB groups? I know OB has quite a few groups in Cali, not sure exactly where, but I'm pretty sure there's a pretty good local representation out west. Go and check out those local regional pages on this forum and try to get hooked up with a few of those guys. OB guys are, in my experience, way friendlier and more relationship driven than most people on internet forums. I'm sure you'd be able to find some more help from those cats. I'd be willing to bet you could even find someone who would go and check out a few potential rigs with you.
Ben,

Good point! I can ask someone to go take a look with me at a few rigs and possibly go on some OB trips with them to see how their rigs run
 

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Ben,
Good point! I can ask someone to go take a look with me at a few rigs and possibly go on some OB trips with them to see how their rigs run
To build on @bencleveland post: Get in touch with @Kent R He is the OB Ambassador for the West Region. Check out https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/forums/west-region-news-events-q-a.159/ for anything posted in your area.

So far My experience here on OB has been that folks will go out of their way to help you get out and explore.
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To build on @bencleveland post: Get in touch with @Kent R He is the OB Ambassador for the West Region. Check out https://www.overlandbound.com/forums/forums/west-region-news-events-q-a.159/ for anything posted in your area.

So far My experience here on OB has been that folks will go out of their way to help you get out and explore.
Boort
Boort,

I’m really excited for that! The OB community does seem to be really awesome, compared to other communities and forums I’ve been on.

I appreciate that