Cummins "Re-Power" Program.

[Kelly]

If it includes the transmission, transfer case, and axle re-gear, then 15-20k is in the ballpark. If not, then it is high. I can get a new crate 4.7 for ~2500-3000. Knowing that the trans will have to be replaced and maybe the transfer case if it won"t mate, plus an axle re-gear to keep the highway RPMs rreasonable, I would not want to pay more than 5-7k for just an engine kit.

I'm having a hard time believing it will fit any car. The systems on modern rigs are so interdependent, if you put in the wrong turn signal bulb, it won't start.

 

[mmnorthdirections]

I'm having a hard time believing it will fit any car. The systems on modern cars are so interdependent, if you put in the wrong turn signal bulb, the car won't start.

Of-coarse The light bulb scenario applies to the JEEP platform!!!!
Any car FIT? I think the application will be good for auto maker series, such as the FJ that shares the engine bay layout with Prado 120 150 4run and Tacoma. Minor differences between these and the market would be huge....

 

[stoney126]

Don't forget the scr catalysts, def tank, and possibly swapping a diesel tank in along with lines made for diesel .
A quality kit I would imagine would easily run 20 grand.

50 State v8 swaps already run 20k and thats with much less sophisticated engine and fuel system.

Not sure how they adreess transmission issues but I think the valve body would have to replaced or tuned for to different shift points.

 

[WJ - Firefly]

Don't forget the scr catalysts, def tank, and possibly swapping a diesel tank in along with lines made for diesel .
A quality kit I would imagine would easily run 20 grand.

50 State v8 swaps already run 20k and thats with much less sophisticated engine and fuel system.

Not sure how they adreess transmission issues but I think the valve body would have to replaced or tuned for to different shift points.

A diesel tank I have no problem with. If it will require catalyst and Def, then I will skip it. Those are unnecessary and degrading add-ons.

I am currently looking for a early 80s VW diesel Rabbit, Jetta or P/U to assume the daily driver function currently filled by my WJ. My wife had one when we lived in Alaska and it got 45 MPG all day long with no computer and no turbo.

 

[stoney126]

A diesel tank I have no problem with. If it will require catalyst and Def, then I will skip it. Those are unnecessary and degrading add-ons.

I am currently looking for a early 80s VW diesel Rabbit, Jetta or P/U to assume the daily driver function currently filled by my WJ. My wife had one when we lived in Alaska and it got 45 MPG all day long with no computer and no turbo.

Ya for it to be 50 state compliant I don't see away around not having those and I don't seeing it being cost effective to make two different versions. I could totally wrong as I'm basing this on my experience other 6.7 cummins and 3.0 fiat diesels .

 

[TreXTerra]

Don't forget the scr catalysts, def tank, and possibly swapping a diesel tank in along with lines made for diesel .
A quality kit I would imagine would easily run 20 grand.

50 State v8 swaps already run 20k and thats with much less sophisticated engine and fuel system.

Not sure how they adreess transmission issues but I think the valve body would have to replaced or tuned for to different shift points.

A DEF tank would be a big pain for an SUV simply because there is nowhere to put the filler for it. As for the transmission, I have a manual, so I can probably regear at the diffs and just shift where I like.

 

[stoney126]

A DEF tank would be a big pain for an SUV simply because there is nowhere to put the filler for it. As for the transmission, I have a manual, so I can probably regear at the diffs and just shift where I like.

Ya a manual helps. I didn't even think about the fill tube lol

 

[TreXTerra]

If the manifolds and turbo are small enough, a DEF tank might fit in the engine bay. You would just need to pop the hood to fill it.

I would prefer it didn't use DEF or a particle filter, but it probably will. The filters are ceramic and tend to be rather fragile, not a good characteristic for an off road rig. Both DEF and filter systems seem to cause longevity problems and restrictions for diesels; most people who had pre-DEF and filter diesels say that the older engines were more reliable.

"Engine killers" is not an uncommon phrase for these systems.

 

[VCeXpedition]

I am currently looking for a early 80s VW diesel Rabbit, Jetta or P/U to assume the daily driver function currently filled by my WJ. My wife had one when we lived in Alaska and it got 45 MPG all day long with no computer and no turbo.

A guy we just hired is driving an absolutely pristine VW Rabbit truck with the diesel. It's like a blast from the past!
He says that it is very slow to accelerate but it gets great MPG. Sounds like a pretty good long-commute car, but probably crappy around town if there's lots of stop and go.
I want to drive it just for the experience!

Sounds like you guys are estimating that this new crate motor offering from Cummins will require the DEF and all that goes with it, have you heard something along those lines from Cummins? ...or are you just thinking that it must come with that to meet the 50-state legal statement?

I don't know what the requirement will be for what amounts to an aftermarket engine to supply all the DEF and exhaust after-treatment hardware, I'm really interested to know what this will amount to.
I wonder if the displacement is still small enough that in this application, it will not require DEF/etc.

From what I've read, Cummins is supporting some specific installations, maybe even specific years, to say that it will be 50-state legal. In other words, they will likely say that it won't "fit" into a car in which that model year would have required DEF and Exhaust requirements. Now I'm guessing...

 

[Meta6981]

I think a Wrangler with a diesel would be awesome.

I think MOPAR is releasing the Wrangler with the 3.0 l diesel available in the Grand Cherokee's now.

 

[Kelly]

I think MOPAR is releasing the Wrangler with the 3.0 l diesel available in the Grand Cherokee's now.

I read some good things about the EcoDiesel in the GC. Lots of torque, and bumped it up from 16mpg to 24mpg, The Grand Cherokee diesel has a 700 mile range!

 

[TreXTerra]

A guy we just hired is driving an absolutely pristine VW Rabbit truck with the diesel. It's like a blast from the past!
He says that it is very slow to accelerate but it gets great MPG. Sounds like a pretty good long-commute car, but probably crappy around town if there's lots of stop and go.
I want to drive it just for the experience!

Sounds like you guys are estimating that this new crate motor offering from Cummins will require the DEF and all that goes with it, have you heard something along those lines from Cummins? ...or are you just thinking that it must come with that to meet the 50-state legal statement?

I don't know what the requirement will be for what amounts to an aftermarket engine to supply all the DEF and exhaust after-treatment hardware, I'm really interested to know what this will amount to.
I wonder if the displacement is still small enough that in this application, it will not require DEF/etc.

From what I've read, Cummins is supporting some specific installations, maybe even specific years, to say that it will be 50-state legal. In other words, they will likely say that it won't "fit" into a car in which that model year would have required DEF and Exhaust requirements. Now I'm guessing...

It's just an educated guess knowing how much CARB is cracking down on any kind of emissions - even on antique and classic cars.

 

[kurtwp]

Remember a diesel will weigh more then a gas engine therefore you payload will be reduced. For example. When I went shopping for a new truck I looked at the ecoDiesel RAM 1500 which this particular truck had a payload of 900lbs. Checked out the BigHorn next to it, with a 5.7 gasser, and the payload was 1400lbs.

Kurt

 

[TreXTerra]

Yes, but you will get some weight back by going from a 4.0L V6 to a smaller I4. Anyway, a person doing a diesel swap has probably done a ton of work to the rest of the vehicle already, so factory numbers have long since been thrown out the window. I've far exceeded the factory payload rating for my Xterra after upgrading the suspension and it still sat perfectly level - even while completely filled with bags of dirt from the front seats to the tailgate and all the way to the headliner.