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oatstheprodigy

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I’m very new to the overlanding world, I am used to traveling a lot with my 5th gen 4runner across SE US. Any suggestions on the following:

- Sleeping; roof tent? In vehicle? Pull behind?

- Climate Control; if I am sleeping inside my vehicle or in a roof top tent, what do you recommend I can use to cool it down during hot months, when overlanding.

- Sleeping Bag? Inside mattress topper? What do you suggest?

Thank you for your help with this! I’m honestly just trying to get started.
 

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It really boils down to what works for you.
I would suggest starting out as simply as you can for some short trips ( or even the backyard to see what works and what doesn’t ).
You really don’t need all the gadgets and gizmos that are out on the market.
 

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Agree with the above post. Start small and do some trial and error. Dropping money on racks, RTT, trailers etc is no joke.

- Sleeping: I mainly did a ground tent until this summer and switched to a RTT to lure to SO to come with me. It's roof mounted and boy is it comfortable but up and down the ladder is a pain sometimes. And you have to break camp for side trips were the vehicle is needed leaving your spot to be taken by someone else if you're not moving along yet, Never slept in car due to my height and gear. I've seen plenty of trailers which seems lovely because you can leave it at basecamp. Cant say much to how they handle on trails but I havent seen one on tougher terrain yet.

- Climate Control; I have a small fan but its pretty well ventilated. Almost as hot as a ground tent. For cold months, I've seen plenty of heaters in RTT but that gives me huge pause. Being off the ground naturally takes away from having to consider R ratings as much.

- Sleeping Bag; I have a sleeping bag thats fitted to the memory foam mattress of my RRT. Could easily just throw two regular ole sleeping bags up there for the same effect. However, I wanted something just to leave up there so I wouldnt have to drag my backpacking sleeping bag up and down. It's nice because it separates into two layers so you can use the first layer in hot months and snuggle under the second layer for colder months (goes to 0) Dont find that anything else additional is needed but I'm also used to sleeping on the hard ground or sad little backpacking pads.
 

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Go slow when kitting yourself out, like the other have said. I am a ground tent guy, or sleep in the back of the truck. I like the tent to hold gear and camp spot if I travel. Because I am in the west I sleep or a ground trap out quite a bit. I carry toys on the top of my truck so a RTT is out for me.

I like my life closer to the bone than many so I run a bit leaner than others at times.

When it's really hot I just deal with it. The Sea of Cortez in Baja in the summer 100+ with 80% just sucks.

Sleeping Bags is personal, I spin when I sleep so a pad in bag doesn't work for me. I have Therm-a-rest pads, the thickest they make( mondo king) inflated super hard, I use a topper 1.5 thick so I adjust the comfort level. I have a bunch of Sleeping bags for what ever the conditions are going to be, I tend to go to the warm side when deciding which one I take.

Everything is a trade off, the reason I like something is the reason you hate it. There are many "last years" bags for sale on back packing sites.
 

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Thank you for the response!

Go slow when kitting yourself out, like the other have said. I am a ground tent guy, or sleep in the back of the truck. I like the tent to hold gear and camp spot if I travel. Because I am in the west I sleep or a ground trap out quite a bit. I carry toys on the top of my truck so a RTT is out for me.

I like my life closer to the bone than many so I run a bit leaner than others at times.

When it's really hot I just deal with it. The Sea of Cortez in Baja in the summer 100+ with 80% just sucks.

Sleeping Bags is personal, I spin when I sleep so a pad in bag doesn't work for me. I have Therm-a-rest pads, the thickest they make( mondo king) inflated super hard, I use a topper 1.5 thick so I adjust the comfort level. I have a bunch of Sleeping bags for what ever the conditions are going to be, I tend to go to the warm side when deciding which one I take.

Everything is a trade off, the reason I like something is the reason you hate it. There are many "last years" bags for sale on back packing sites.
 

oatstheprodigy

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Agree with the above post. Start small and do some trial and error. Dropping money on racks, RTT, trailers etc is no joke.

Thank you for the response! You are absolutely right!

- Sleeping: I mainly did a ground tent until this summer and switched to a RTT to lure to SO to come with me. It's roof mounted and boy is it comfortable but up and down the ladder is a pain sometimes. And you have to break camp for side trips were the vehicle is needed leaving your spot to be taken by someone else if you're not moving along yet, Never slept in car due to my height and gear. I've seen plenty of trailers which seems lovely because you can leave it at basecamp. Cant say much to how they handle on trails but I havent seen one on tougher terrain yet.

- Climate Control; I have a small fan but its pretty well ventilated. Almost as hot as a ground tent. For cold months, I've seen plenty of heaters in RTT but that gives me huge pause. Being off the ground naturally takes away from having to consider R ratings as much.

- Sleeping Bag; I have a sleeping bag thats fitted to the memory foam mattress of my RRT. Could easily just throw two regular ole sleeping bags up there for the same effect. However, I wanted something just to leave up there so I wouldnt have to drag my backpacking sleeping bag up and down. It's nice because it separates into two layers so you can use the first layer in hot months and snuggle under the second layer for colder months (goes to 0) Dont find that anything else additional is needed but I'm also used to sleeping on the hard ground or sad little backpacking pads.
 

oatstheprodigy

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Thanks! That’s great advice! I’ll do just that and try it close to home and see what works for me.

It really boils down to what works for you.
I would suggest starting out as simply as you can for some short trips ( or even the backyard to see what works and what doesn’t ).
You really don’t need all the gadgets and gizmos that are out on the market.
 

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I’m very new to the overlanding world, I am used to traveling a lot with my 5th gen 4runner across SE US. Any suggestions on the following:

- Sleeping; roof tent? In vehicle? Pull behind?

- Climate Control; if I am sleeping inside my vehicle or in a roof top tent, what do you recommend I can use to cool it down during hot months, when overlanding.

- Sleeping Bag? Inside mattress topper? What do you suggest?

Thank you for your help with this! I’m honestly just trying to get started.
When you say you are used to travelling a lot with your 4Runner, how do you live on the road? I ask because that's all Overlanding really is -- it's living on the road in vehicles; for some, it's living 'off' the road, but don't let that scare you - the vast majority of Overland travel is done on pavement. The next biggest part of the pie chart is gravel roads. A much smaller slice of the chart is technical trails/off road where one would need lockers and skids, but for the bulk of the chart you can do it in even a basic sedan and see most of the best spots, so your 4Runner is already a premier rig for Overland travel as-is.

The only other things you need are place to sleep and a way to provide yourself nutrition. The rest is "nice to have", but that nice to have stuff adds up fast, and the biggest mistake beginners make is feeling they "need" too much stuff. The marketing is effective, and I fall for it myself sometimes! But based on that, I would suggest taking a step back from the "Overlanding World" perspective to start with, otherwise you'll soon be convinced that if you don't have $1000 in MaxTrax, a Scottle, and a GFC that you aren't really "Overlanding" at all!

Instead, take a look at how other types of travellers do it -- in particular, I encourage you to look at long-distance backpackers. They have to live - sometimes for months - out of a single 60-80 Litre backpack, and they do it all the time. If you start there, you will avoid the bloat that often comes with an Overland build, so let's take a look at what a typical Backpacker uses based on your asks:

1) Sleeping. Backpackers don't have the option for an RTT. The ultralight and cheap option is a Tarp and some cord. That will give you "good enough" shelter, but given your "backpack" has a payload of over a thousand pounds, I'd suggest that the tarp is a bit too much of a compromise (bugs and rain) to justify; most backpackers agree, and even in their limited space they will often, like you, get into the realm of the next level up, which is a decent ground tent. For this you will have two considerations to start with:
  1. How much room do you need in the tent? A 3-man tent is typically only good for two people; inside the tent you are likely going to want a little bit of room for a water bottle or a change of clothes, and so I would say figure out how many people you travel with and add one extra person to your tent size.
  2. Your budget. Tents of many sizes can be had at Wal Mart for cheap, and frankly if you just want to get out for a few Overland trips per season, there's nothing wrong with a Wal Mart tent. It might not last decades of heavy use, but it will give you some experience actually doing it so you'll know what works and doesn't work for you. If you want something a bit more robust, look to the bigger brands (MSR, North Face, Mountain Hardware), and rely on backpacker websites like Trailspace: Outdoor Gear Reviews for reviews to inform your purchase.
The advantage of a roof tent over a ground tent in my experience are all in the "nice to have" category -- it means you never need to worry about the quality of the ground (rocks, roots, gravel or pavement - it matters not for an RTT as long as your car is roughly level). It also puts you up in a bit of a 'tree house' which some people like. And finally, it saves you from having to pack your bedding every day because it can stay up there. But I suggest start with your ground tent -- soon you'll know if you're spending a lot of time camping on bad ground, or if you really just don't want the hassle of packing a sleeping bag into a stuff sack, but starting with a ground tent means you're only out $200 instead of $2,000 +. You may also find that you prefer a non-tent experience, like a trailer.


2) Climate Control - You may never need it. Even a mediocre tent will be extremely well ventilated and flow a lot of air and can provide comfort in a huge range of temperatures. I've slept in my tent in +41 Celsius, and -32 Celsius - same tent, and reasonably comfortable (I might not do the -32 again though!). Whether you do need climate controls or not will be very dependent on where you travel; a lot of the Overlanding destinations I tend to visit are either at altitude (so it gets nice and cool at night when I'm in the tent) or deserts (same thing, pretty cool at night). In some heavy bush/swampy areas and closer to the equator, it can get warm at night but the human body is pretty well evolved for this climate and after a few days, you'll get used to the heat. And again, a good tent with airflow makes it easy. This "you might not need it" isn't just my experience -- there are hundreds if not thousands of people travelling the world right now in everything from a backpack all the way up to Earth Roamers; the vast majority of travellers do not have climate control in their sleeping spaces for hot weather. For cold weather, it's all about the layers.

3) Sleeping Bag - Depends where you go. Get a synthetic bag; it will insulate you even if it gets wet, and the minimal weight/packability penalty of synthetic over down is negligible in a vehicle. You can always add sleeping bag liners, and sleep in wool long johns or even more layers if you need to, so I would suggest buying a temperature range that is on the higher 1/3 of the range you will typically camp in. If you get a few freak weather events that drop the thermometer you can always layer up. It's harder to layer down when it's hot. Again, I suggest reading reviews on Trailspace.com to pick one that works for you. Your key considerations here:
  1. Bag Rating. Like I said above, get one that is rated to your typical camping temperatures. If you normally camp in a place where it hits around 20 Degrees C at night, get a bag rated for that.
  2. Your sleeping style. Are you a hot sleeper, or a cold one? That could influence the rating of bag you get.
  3. Bag shape. Some people like mummy bags, other people find them super restrictive and prefer barrel-style bags. 100% your preference though Mummy bags tend to be warmer for their size/weight.
  4. Zipper location. I prefer my zippers on sleeping bags to open towards the inside of the tent, which means my zipper has to be on the opposite side of my travelling partners zipper. There's a few reasons for this -- zippers tend to be an ingress for water, insects, and cold air, and so if it's facing the inside of the tent instead of the outside, the risk is less. The other reason is I regularly camp with my partner, and zippers facing the inside make it easier to snuggle up for a bit when going to bed, while easily transitioning into a fully zipped bag if we need to.

4) Food and water - this isn't on your list, but you'll need a plan for this. It can be as simple as a way to boil water (the Jetboil works great) and buying enough Mountain House dehydrated meals to last you your journey. In Alaska, that''s what I relied on because space was a premium, and groceries were few and far between. You can also go really fancy and get a 12V fridge, a full kitchen cooking set, and a multi-burner stove. That's what I now use, and it's amazing! But totally overkill. An MSR Pocket Rocket stove can be had for very cheap these days ($50), and can do more than boil water so it's a bit more versatile than the Jet Boil, and it's what I started with. I suggest that you try living only off that camp stove and your chosen nutrients for 3 days at home -- plan your grocery shopping and meals accordingly, and see how you like it. If you can get by comfortably at home (where worst case your dinner is an Uber Eats away if something goes wrong!) you'll know if you need more cooking/nutrition resources when travelling or not. For water, I bring a 5 gallon jerry can that I fill before I go ($20), with a Sawyer Mini ($20) for emergencies.


Enjoy the adventures, and feel free to keep asking questions -- a lot of people on this board and others have made a ton of very expensive mistakes over the years, and I think all of us are more than happy to share that learning to save you the headache!
 

oatstheprodigy

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Thank you! This is great advice, you are right, I have found that the marketing is very effective and what you can think will be necessary is more of a want than a need. Thank again! Very helpful!


When you say you are used to travelling a lot with your 4Runner, how do you live on the road? I ask because that's all Overlanding really is -- it's living on the road in vehicles; for some, it's living 'off' the road, but don't let that scare you - the vast majority of Overland travel is done on pavement. The next biggest part of the pie chart is gravel roads. A much smaller slice of the chart is technical trails/off road where one would need lockers and skids, but for the bulk of the chart you can do it in even a basic sedan and see most of the best spots, so your 4Runner is already a premier rig for Overland travel as-is.

The only other things you need are place to sleep and a way to provide yourself nutrition. The rest is "nice to have", but that nice to have stuff adds up fast, and the biggest mistake beginners make is feeling they "need" too much stuff. The marketing is effective, and I fall for it myself sometimes! But based on that, I would suggest taking a step back from the "Overlanding World" perspective to start with, otherwise you'll soon be convinced that if you don't have $1000 in MaxTrax, a Scottle, and a GFC that you aren't really "Overlanding" at all!

Instead, take a look at how other types of travellers do it -- in particular, I encourage you to look at long-distance backpackers. They have to live - sometimes for months - out of a single 60-80 Litre backpack, and they do it all the time. If you start there, you will avoid the bloat that often comes with an Overland build, so let's take a look at what a typical Backpacker uses based on your asks:

1) Sleeping. Backpackers don't have the option for an RTT. The ultralight and cheap option is a Tarp and some cord. That will give you "good enough" shelter, but given your "backpack" has a payload of over a thousand pounds, I'd suggest that the tarp is a bit too much of a compromise (bugs and rain) to justify; most backpackers agree, and even in their limited space they will often, like you, get into the realm of the next level up, which is a decent ground tent. For this you will have two considerations to start with:
  1. How much room do you need in the tent? A 3-man tent is typically only good for two people; inside the tent you are likely going to want a little bit of room for a water bottle or a change of clothes, and so I would say figure out how many people you travel with and add one extra person to your tent size.
  2. Your budget. Tents of many sizes can be had at Wal Mart for cheap, and frankly if you just want to get out for a few Overland trips per season, there's nothing wrong with a Wal Mart tent. It might not last decades of heavy use, but it will give you some experience actually doing it so you'll know what works and doesn't work for you. If you want something a bit more robust, look to the bigger brands (MSR, North Face, Mountain Hardware), and rely on backpacker websites like Trailspace: Outdoor Gear Reviews for reviews to inform your purchase.
The advantage of a roof tent over a ground tent in my experience are all in the "nice to have" category -- it means you never need to worry about the quality of the ground (rocks, roots, gravel or pavement - it matters not for an RTT as long as your car is roughly level). It also puts you up in a bit of a 'tree house' which some people like. And finally, it saves you from having to pack your bedding every day because it can stay up there. But I suggest start with your ground tent -- soon you'll know if you're spending a lot of time camping on bad ground, or if you really just don't want the hassle of packing a sleeping bag into a stuff sack, but starting with a ground tent means you're only out $200 instead of $2,000 +. You may also find that you prefer a non-tent experience, like a trailer.


2) Climate Control - You may never need it. Even a mediocre tent will be extremely well ventilated and flow a lot of air and can provide comfort in a huge range of temperatures. I've slept in my tent in +41 Celsius, and -32 Celsius - same tent, and reasonably comfortable (I might not do the -32 again though!). Whether you do need climate controls or not will be very dependent on where you travel; a lot of the Overlanding destinations I tend to visit are either at altitude (so it gets nice and cool at night when I'm in the tent) or deserts (same thing, pretty cool at night). In some heavy bush/swampy areas and closer to the equator, it can get warm at night but the human body is pretty well evolved for this climate and after a few days, you'll get used to the heat. And again, a good tent with airflow makes it easy. This "you might not need it" isn't just my experience -- there are hundreds if not thousands of people travelling the world right now in everything from a backpack all the way up to Earth Roamers; the vast majority of travellers do not have climate control in their sleeping spaces for hot weather. For cold weather, it's all about the layers.

3) Sleeping Bag - Depends where you go. Get a synthetic bag; it will insulate you even if it gets wet, and the minimal weight/packability penalty of synthetic over down is negligible in a vehicle. You can always add sleeping bag liners, and sleep in wool long johns or even more layers if you need to, so I would suggest buying a temperature range that is on the higher 1/3 of the range you will typically camp in. If you get a few freak weather events that drop the thermometer you can always layer up. It's harder to layer down when it's hot. Again, I suggest reading reviews on Trailspace.com to pick one that works for you. Your key considerations here:
  1. Bag Rating. Like I said above, get one that is rated to your typical camping temperatures. If you normally camp in a place where it hits around 20 Degrees C at night, get a bag rated for that.
  2. Your sleeping style. Are you a hot sleeper, or a cold one? That could influence the rating of bag you get.
  3. Bag shape. Some people like mummy bags, other people find them super restrictive and prefer barrel-style bags. 100% your preference though Mummy bags tend to be warmer for their size/weight.
  4. Zipper location. I prefer my zippers on sleeping bags to open towards the inside of the tent, which means my zipper has to be on the opposite side of my travelling partners zipper. There's a few reasons for this -- zippers tend to be an ingress for water, insects, and cold air, and so if it's facing the inside of the tent instead of the outside, the risk is less. The other reason is I regularly camp with my partner, and zippers facing the inside make it easier to snuggle up for a bit when going to bed, while easily transitioning into a fully zipped bag if we need to.

4) Food and water - this isn't on your list, but you'll need a plan for this. It can be as simple as a way to boil water (the Jetboil works great) and buying enough Mountain House dehydrated meals to last you your journey. In Alaska, that''s what I relied on because space was a premium, and groceries were few and far between. You can also go really fancy and get a 12V fridge, a full kitchen cooking set, and a multi-burner stove. That's what I now use, and it's amazing! But totally overkill. An MSR Pocket Rocket stove can be had for very cheap these days ($50), and can do more than boil water so it's a bit more versatile than the Jet Boil, and it's what I started with. I suggest that you try living only off that camp stove and your chosen nutrients for 3 days at home -- plan your grocery shopping and meals accordingly, and see how you like it. If you can get by comfortably at home (where worst case your dinner is an Uber Eats away if something goes wrong!) you'll know if you need more cooking/nutrition resources when travelling or not. For water, I bring a 5 gallon jerry can that I fill before I go ($20), with a Sawyer Mini ($20) for emergencies.


Enjoy the adventures, and feel free to keep asking questions -- a lot of people on this board and others have made a ton of very expensive mistakes over the years, and I think all of us are more than happy to share that learning to save you the headache!
 

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- Sleeping; roof tent? In vehicle? Pull behind?

Our last two vehicles were set up to sleep inside - obviously this works for us since we travel as only two people. We've used a vehicle with a RTT and it was less inconvenient than I had thought, and more convenient in some ways. If you go to a RTT then keep it simple and choose a hard shell with air pistons - very fast and simple to put up and take down (we've seen others wrestling with more complicated RTTs for 45 minutes or more!). Grount tents are fine but not ideal for some parts of the world. If you're exposed to certain wildlife then ground tents are not ideal, and RTTs aren't as good as sleeping inside the vehicle. We've never tried swags however they could be a good option.

- Climate Control; if I am sleeping inside my vehicle or in a roof top tent, what do you recommend I can use to cool it down during hot months, when overlanding.

Ventilation is the key - we adjust the window openings to provide ventilation (and have mosquito net covers for the windows) and have been comfortable in temperatures up to the mid 30s C. In temperatures of 40 C it does get uncomfortable and we have a small fan although it hasn't been that effective. The key is to plan trips for the right seasons (central Australia or the Sahara in winter not the summer, etc.).

- Sleeping Bag? Inside mattress topper? What do you suggest?

We go for layers - single sheet when it's hot, sheet plus "technical" blanket when not so hot, sleeping bags when cold, sleeping bags plus blanket when colder, sleeping bags plus blankit plus thermal underwear when very cold.
 

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Otniel - Congrats on getting out there! We are in Georgia and do most all of our trips in GA, NC, SC, TN. We love that there are so many great national forests in the SE US to explore. I feel you on the heat and the bugs. Especially this summer it was brutal. We run a Roofnest Condor RTT. We love it. We have installed a few clip on fans in the tent (link below) and they work better than you would think to keep things cool when you are sleeping. We also purchased a 3" think memory foam mattress topper which makes a huge difference in keeping things comfy. In the winter we use a sleeping bag (Kelty Doublewide) and in the summer we use a thermarest blanket and a sheet. Hope this helps and maybe we will see you on the trail!

Mike and Beth
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