Enthusiast III
Yeah, I recently looked into the Pro's when my wife bought a new vehicle. I was trying to get her to buy a Forerunner, but she really wanted a Highlander. :( The Pro's are a point of entry add-on in the US and they actually don't have some of the competency of the TRD OR. They Taco and the Forerunner Pros look really cool though!
Your wife is a smart woman! While it's not as cool as a 4R, as a DD the Highlander is better in every way than the 4R, other than offroading. I think the Highlander can even tow more.
She is a smart woman - very smart! The Highlander and the ZR2 complement each other for our needs and if I take a couple of things off the top of the Chevy, both will fit in the garage. The 4R is really cool, but the technology is old, there really aren't any of the bells and whistles that she likes, and, well, she's happy.
Pathfinder I
Enthusiast III
I don't own the company, Toyota, so I don't care. Do you understand context of speech, because I had 3 people read what I said and they all understood I was making reference to the company. I didn't say, "I don't own A Toyota" I said "I don't own Toyota".
I think you misunderstood my point about Toyota having a diesel. If the Tacoma had a diesel, people wanting the option wouldn't buy the Chevy. I've personally spoken to more than half a dozen owners of a Colorado who went Chevy for the diesel powerplant and for no other reason, so call that subjective, as it is my opinion. Every truck does have their weakness, but those lower shock mounts are poor design, I've never heard anyone reason otherwise but feel free to. I just haven't heard good justification for such poor mounting location considering it's an "off road" truck yet, but I'm willing to listen.
I have to disagree on two points. I'm 6'3" tall and the Tacoma fit is just fine. I haven't driven the Colorado but I have ridden in one and they definitely had a different feel, but the Tacoma is just fine, you just have to accept it's a shallower floor pan. On the smooth ride, my Tacoma was perfectly fine stock. It didn't get uncomfortable at all until I added weight and upgraded suspension. I've driven my '13, a '16, and '18 and I didn't notice any difference in ride quality (for a truck, they're all fine) but that's just me.
Off-Road Ranger I
I misread what you wrote at 5:30 in the morning. Clearly you have it all figured out and I never should have ever doubted you.
Pathfinder I
Pathfinder I
Enthusiast III
Pathfinder I
Aye, it's just you. The ceiling is uncomfortably low and the floor is uncomfortably high for me at 6'3". Now, that being said I see tall people drive Tacos all the time and they seem to enjoy their trucks but that doesn't change the fact that the GM Twins have more headroom and a more conventional seating position compared to the Taco.
So what you're saying is, what I'm saying are opinions but what you're saying are facts? So you use the word "feel" but quote it as a fact.... How is that quantifiable? And you end that whole statement with "...wasn't a good fit for ME." Just as you stated, many tall people drive Tacomas, just like any other vehicle, it's all subjective based on what you're looking for and how you feel. Additional headroom is not a factor that would ever make me buy one brand over another if everything else about the truck/vehicle was inferior (for what I'm looking for, wants, needs, etc,.) so that wasn't a selling point for me, especially seeing as I didn't have any issues with any gen Tacoma made (I've driven/ridden in them all), or as a matter of fact any of the nearly 200 different vehicles I've driven (used to have a job driving cars/trucks/suv's). So I disagree on not having enough room for tall people and I'm somehow negating the facts because there's 1.7" more head room in the Colorado? No, it's still an opinion and it's true, there's more than enough room for me, or you unless you have some abnormally long torso or a huge ass. Quantifying one suspension over another as "smoother" is kind of ridiculous don't you think? Did you buy the Colorado for the smooth suspension? I've NEVER known someone who bought a truck for the smooth suspension, unless they're looking at that aspect for towing or maybe as a delivery vehicle they spend 8+ hours in a day. As a tertiary feature, sure, but you act like that's the reason you bought it over a Tacoma, come on.
Closer to the wheel isn't bad, but that's not the case with the Colorado like it is with the Jeep due to the different suspension setup. As I said before, if not for that it'd be much more desirable for its intended capability (off road). This isn't a complete killer, but it's not helping it (the truck).
Off-Road Ranger I
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. On one side the TERRIBLE (your emphasis) ground clearance can not be overcome by the driver or line choice, but then the ZR2 is only capable of running the Rubicon because they used a professional driver. As to the YouTube videos, a stock truck versus stock truck (tires and all) is not bias. This is one area where Toyota may learn something with these new competitors and put decent tires on their off-road oriented models. As to reliability, as stated by others, the Toyota has slipped a bit on this most current generation. Capability out of the box? Given your statements that the videos are unfair makes me think the Chevy was shown to be more capable. I know you think it was rigged, but unless they modified one and not the other, it sounds like a fair fight. Can you make the Toyota more capable than the GM, I'm certain you can. But again, I am only talking about stock vs. stock.
Yes, I called you a fanboy. It wasn't meant to be derogatory, though I can see how you thought it was. You are obviously fanatical about your Toyota, that's fine. You will never own anything but Toyota, OK. It doesn't make anyone else's opinion or statements less valid.
OK, again, you love your Toyota. I have heard many people complain about them being cramped. You feel OK in it, fine. I used to own a Pathfinder, it had a very low seating position, just inches off the floor. I didn't mind it, my wife hated it. Is she wrong because I thought it was OK?
Enthusiast III
