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I have used mine often to get out of a few situations, I find a great deal of ironic humor in where some choose to mount them

You’ve mentioned many of my pet peeves, especially here in the states. A lot of vehicle build ups are nothing much more than “keeping up with the Jones’s”.. High lift jacks mounted on the hoods of 40,000 dollar vehicles has always stuck me as humorous irony. Peace out

OK Mike and Micheal, I agree 100% with what each of you have stated. I don't care for labels, and it truly doesn't matter to me what anyone drives. It was a "jeep" sanctioned event. I didn't give the event that label. I'd bet my next SS check that if an OB rally ever blew up like that, (...

Is there enough room behind the seats in the vehicle? Which is a great idea until they get really muddy.

I'm a lot more cautious now that I'm getting up there in years and broke down and bought a pair just 2 years ago. The first trip I had em up on the roof racks, but ran out of rack room when we set up our hot water shower system. Now I keep them behind the Kangaroo on the spare. One Ratchet...

Sorry,, I just can’t bring myself to driving through Philadelphia, or any other city for that matter. However, if I were a paid guest speaker? Ha, fat chance, I share my experiences for free..

Sorry you don’t get it.. let me make it as simple as I can.. many folks in very powerful positions would like nothing better than to close down all motorized access to public lands... ( that is not debatable that is a fact ) when douche bags with 4x4 vehicles act like douche bags on public...

Not a popular outlook, however that is a major problem that I also have with western religions..

I don't consider that group to be "overlanders" at all. please re-read my original post so that you might better understand what I wrote. John Q Public doesn't see nor does he understand the difference....

Hey,,,, I'm talking about sanctioned organized events... learn how to read

Yes, it is a people problem, absolutely. However, one of the points I'm trying to make, without going to war with everyone here is the subject of clubs and self enforcing basic decency during a club event. In this case, it was a sanctioned Jeep event. Their name is on it, they own it, and they...

Very true,, I was accused earlier in this conversation of labeling the offenders as Jeep people. It is what it is... Rover event here in my hometown never makes trouble nor do TLCA crowds. Then we suggest they police themselves by reprimanding club members or by changing the double meaninged...

Yes, I'm a member of the TLCA and the rules are very explicit. One strike and you are out, as It should be. Here is a but one link to the story I refer to. There are several news outlets that covered it. Here is but one link to very many. Maybe Jeep organizers ought to re-think the language...

What happened in Texas a couple weekends ago was not only tragic for those seriously injured, but tragic for our community, aka, Overlanders. In the Public Eye, anyone driving a lifted off road rig is no better than the ash-ole's at that jeep event. Why-O-Why does this never happen at a Toyota...

The only thing I disagreed with you about was your use of language, referring to a thought process as being idiotic. Personally, I'd rather drag a trailer around behind me than drive a full size rig. My rig is, in all reality, a medium sized vehicle, even though we scale out at 7,000 lbs and...

Until you start bashing the crap out of em off pavement. Toyota’s, like it or not, are way overbuilt and can take the beating.. ever notice that with American made rigs when something breaks it is always highly recommended to “ upgrade”? Japanese rigs, be it Toyota, Nissan, or Mitsubishi the...

I had an 86 f150 4x4, three speed with creeper, bare bones, rubber floor mats, bench seat,, that thing was a beast..

Agreed 100%, my remark was intended to nullify the “idiotic” comment previously posted.

Agreed, GM is so far behind the curve they would have to move mountains in order to catch up with the Japanese, or the Europeans. I can only imagine what it would be like had they kept the core values they established with utilitarian vehicles such as the K5 blazer/jimmy, the Suburban or the...