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I enjoy reading all the different posts and the variety of off road needs, some more hardcore, or just To travel and camp. I was reading through my old Fourwheeler, 4WD, Jeep magazines from the 70,s. They were looking for 31 inch tires so they could go on the rougher trails and get 8 or 9 inches of ground clearance. Are the trails that much more difficult or we taking harder lines needing 35, 37 or 40 inch tires? Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks or do we care more about damage to our very expensive vehicles? I’m careful because, like most, my vehicle is for everything I do. I’ve never been able to spend money for stuff I want but don’t need. Now i need to stop sleeping in tents on the ground re back pain. Going to try sleeping in the bed of the truck on a proper mattress/sleeping platform. There should be enough room having an eight foot bed. I also want taller tires, I want a slide in camper, I want pretty much all the toys. Let’s see how many become needs.
 

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A good comfortable sleep is always a need for me. Not into rock crawling with my full size rig. I just like to get where I'm going. For some people it's the journey, for me it's the destination lol. But I wouldn't complain with a slide in camper. I'd make it a need.
 

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I'm still deciding. I've got an F250 so I'm covered, if I want to go the camper route.

For now I'm using my backpacking gear.
 
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I'm sure the advertising and general increased manufacturing of accessories affects what is perceived as a need, for sure. Social media influencers have cool toys and we begin to think we need stuff to go outside. All we need is something to drive, somewhere to go, and a few basic essentials to have a great adventure. Everything else just makes it more comfortable and enjoyable or accessible to those with special needs or conditions.

Unless I'm trying to convince my wife to let me buy something cool. Then it's definitely a need.
 

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It's taken me quite awhile to get to the is point in our vehicle setup. It's a long way from stuffing a tent in the back of the Jeep or sleeping in the back of my work van, and I'm pretty certain that at some point in the future our setup will grow in size as we enter the next phase of life and have the ability to travel further and for longer periods of time. For now, our setup works perfectly for us for day trips, regular old camping trips, picnics, road trips, 2 and 3 week overland style adventures, utility trailer tower, winter rig to get us into the (and out of) the mountains, and everything in between. I'm not sure that at this point I would be willing to give up the creature comforts that I now have in the camper. It is pretty nice to be able to get to the top of the mountain, and have everything on hand to keep our lives comfortable.

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It's taken me quite awhile to get to the is point in our vehicle setup. It's a long way from stuffing a tent in the back of the Jeep or sleeping in the back of my work van, and I'm pretty certain that at some point in the future our setup will grow in size as we enter the next phase of life and have the ability to travel further and for longer periods of time. For now, our setup works perfectly for us for day trips, regular old camping trips, picnics, road trips, 2 and 3 week overland style adventures, utility trailer tower, winter rig to get us into the (and out of) the mountains, and everything in between. I'm not sure that at this point I would be willing to give up the creature comforts that I now have in the camper. It is pretty nice to be able to get to the top of the mountain, and have everything on hand to keep our lives comfortable.

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That camper is what I have wanted. Everything is there to sleep, cook, keep cold food, some storage. It provides somewhere to sit in comfort if the weather is bad. Once Canada and the US open up again our plan is to travel Ontario to BC then visit our US relatives in Washington State, New Mexico and Florida. However long it takes. I’m looking for a used one but new isn’t all that unreasonable.
 

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That camper is what I have wanted. Everything is there to sleep, cook, keep cold food, some storage. It provides somewhere to sit in comfort if the weather is bad. Once Canada and the US open up again our plan is to travel Ontario to BC then visit our US relatives in Washington State, New Mexico and Florida. However long it takes. I’m looking for a used one but new isn’t all that unreasonable.

We've done 3 and 1/2 weeks on the road with the two of us and two dogs with no issues at all. I've also spent time on northwest Vancouver Island, and it passes my test of a place to hang out while it really rains. I spent at least 6 months looking for a used one, which can be harder and more costly up here in Canada. After no luck, we bit the bullet and ordered a new one, they aren't cheap, but my brain box ammoritzes the cost over a good 15 years and it all feels a lot better.
 
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We've done 3 and 1/2 weeks on the road with the two of us and two dogs with no issues at all. I've also spent time on northwest Vancouver Island, and it passes my test of a place to hang out while it really rains. I spent at least 6 months looking for a used one, which can be harder and more costly up here in Canada. After no luck, we bit the bullet and ordered a new one, they aren't cheap, but my brain box ammoritzes the cost over a good 15 years and it all feels a lot better.
Used ones around here are anywhere between 5 and 15 thousand depending on condition. A new pop up Palomino is about 20 thousand plus taxes etc. Don’t need anything fancy.
 
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Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks
you nailed it

And while I too love the look and had to do it all, now I love the challenge of doing it with a stock vehicle. I have gone the other way trying to do it with the minimum of equipment. Feeling a rush when I get rid of stuff and weight rather than feeling that rush as I "upgrade?"
 

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I enjoy reading all the different posts and the variety of off road needs, some more hardcore, or just To travel and camp. I was reading through my old Fourwheeler, 4WD, Jeep magazines from the 70,s. They were looking for 31 inch tires so they could go on the rougher trails and get 8 or 9 inches of ground clearance. Are the trails that much more difficult or we taking harder lines needing 35, 37 or 40 inch tires? Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks or do we care more about damage to our very expensive vehicles? I’m careful because, like most, my vehicle is for everything I do. I’ve never been able to spend money for stuff I want but don’t need. Now i need to stop sleeping in tents on the ground re back pain. Going to try sleeping in the bed of the truck on a proper mattress/sleeping platform. There should be enough room having an eight foot bed. I also want taller tires, I want a slide in camper, I want pretty much all the toys. Let’s see how many become needs.
You and I seem to think alike. Mine is for everything I do - can't afford a specific vehicle just for this - wouldn't want one anyway. Don't feel the need to waste money on some of the crap people continually yammer about on here, like fridges. Good lord, people of been going on extensive journeys, in remote areas, for centuries without 'needing' a fridge!

You said "Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks or do we care more about damage to our very expensive vehicles?" In my opinion... most of all of these toys are more for show; so they can drive about saying "look at me look at me", as well as having "the toughest vehicle around".
 

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I enjoy reading all the different posts and the variety of off road needs, some more hardcore, or just To travel and camp. I was reading through my old Fourwheeler, 4WD, Jeep magazines from the 70,s. They were looking for 31 inch tires so they could go on the rougher trails and get 8 or 9 inches of ground clearance. Are the trails that much more difficult or we taking harder lines needing 35, 37 or 40 inch tires? Are all the wants due to tempting advertising re tougher looking trucks or do we care more about damage to our very expensive vehicles? I’m careful because, like most, my vehicle is for everything I do. I’ve never been able to spend money for stuff I want but don’t need. Now i need to stop sleeping in tents on the ground re back pain. Going to try sleeping in the bed of the truck on a proper mattress/sleeping platform. There should be enough room having an eight foot bed. I also want taller tires, I want a slide in camper, I want pretty much all the toys. Let’s see how many become needs.

I think some is comfort, I was telling the folks in my club I used to toss a few clothes in canvas carry all, a sleeping bag, coleman 2 burner white case stove and food in the back of a beat land cruiser J40 (500.00 special 40 years ago) and go for a week. But 40 years on I need some comfort ,but I am still pretty basic as far as my truck goes.

My Disco has a :

2 inch lift (OME springs /terrafirma shocks)
Steel step/sliders
Upgrade track bars - terrafirma
245/70 16's
RTT and Awning

That keeps me happy and as @trikebubble noted it keeps me comfortable in the rain. I did add a little ceramic heater for the colder days when you can not have a fire.

I think a lot of it is advertising and the internet, with people saying you need to have x to do these things.
 
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It occured to me I have a perfect example to add to this :

Dead stock Discovery 1 on all season tires, joined us for 2 days of 3 day run this last weekend. You can see the spare, to get an idea of the tires he was running just completing a creek crossing and climb he did it 1 go the other 2 Discos took 2 - bad line but proves the point stock works for a lot of people.

Looks easy but there was a pretty significant log ledge to get over and yo had to have good tire placement

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I think in general in the U.S we have seen a huge blurring of the lines between “four wheel driving” and “overlanding”. Four wheel driving is generally an “I want” based endeavor, while IMO when I am camping/road tripping/overlanding it’s an “I need” mentality. As in, I just need to get from point A to B, I dont care what I do to get there as long as it’s scenic and I have fun with my family.

Don’t get me wrong, its fun to watch Youtube channels, but if you were to watch any of the popular 4wd youtube channels turned “overlanders” you would think you need an 80k setup (trail recon, lite brite, exc) to go do a two day trip on the Mojave road. Or a channel like Expedition Overland which is like watching a SEMA commercial with narration. Basically all of these channels employ the just-buy-a-ton-of-expensive-stuff-and-make-your-vehicle-look-really-cool strategy. One of the reasons I really enjoy watching the OB channel.

For someone who really wants to get out there and explore/camp/road trip you need -optimally -first and foremost a reasonably reliable vehicle, a smidge of ground clearance, 4wd/awd (prefer 4wd), some good tires, and a comfortable camp and sleep setup. Additionally I think it’s important that the vehicle be good and comfortable on highways as well as trails. So if you NEED a better sleep setup so that you can enjoy some awesome exploration, then that should be a priority.
 
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Another part of this for me is....If I’m by myself I carry on as I have since a teen. Sleeping bag, basic Cook pot and pan, food and water, as long as I can sleep off the ground. Now if my wife wants to go, and she does, there must be comforts. Luckily she is even more thrifty than I am. So we are deciding on what will fill those needs at the most thrifty cost. Slide in, small trailer to sleep in or can we fit everything in the bed of the truck. Screened kitchen tent for the daytime.
 

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There are some people like myself that don't really know what we need until we have tried it out for ourselves and done a reevaluating process. I'll admit that I'm a gear junkie and I love to try out new gear. I read reviews for hours and still have difficulty deciding whether it would be worthwhile to buy or not. In the end sometimes I just have to try it out for myself and it is part of the fun in building vehicles and testing them out for our own needs.
 

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For me, my needs change based on whether my family is going with me or not.

They've also changed since I started doing this. I started with a bone stock 04 colorado z71. It's a good truck, and I went a lot of places, but I kept tearing up wheel hubs, abs sensors, and the ground clearance was an issue on more than one occasion. Also, trying to fit everything the family needed for a few days was challenging, to say the least.

I opted to buy a second vehicle to build for overlanding, and as I use it, I'm figuring out what my needs are. It already had more ground clearance than my truck, has a roof rack making storage easier, and can hold everything my family needs for a 4 day trip.

I'm still working the bugs out, but just this last weekend, a friend and I spent two full days building a secondary electrical system to be able to run all of my auxiliary accessories, which will include lights, which became a need after my last trip (my headlights are wholly inadequate for night driving).
 
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Yes @reaver your headlights do indeed need improvement...

To the OP. Overlanding needs break down real simple... “Overlanding is: "Vehicle Dependent Travel". Nothing else.1st Overlanding principal

The only neededs in Overlanding is a reliable means of transportation and your imagination. That is it. Nothing else; noting more required.

Some people spend lots of money on their tires, lift kits, armor, and recovery accessories. While others dump all their savings into the ultimate camp kitchen. Then other say you have to have an RTT or an off-road adventure trailer.

Im hear to tell you that a 1989 Full Sized Bronco is a great Overland rig, so was my Ford Escort. I used to have a huge tent, elaborate camp kitchen, 2 tons of body armor on a lifted Dodge Ram. It looked syck, and I was always the envy in camp. But I was also the last one to leave camp.
Since getting the Bronco I downsized my kitchen from a pull out chick box with 25 gallons of water and hot water in demand to a simple Cast Iron skillet, Dutch Oven and a sleeping roll for the warm summer nights and a T4 Plus for those chilly and wet camps of early spring and late fall. My Bronco has added lights and a roof rack to help me carry my T4 and light my path at night. I now only carry 12 gallons of fresh drinking water that I heat up in my old beat up percolator. Fuel is still carried as needed in old army hand me down fuel cans, and only carried when I know I’m going to be venturing far from civilization (like elk camp).

The fallowing is the rookie Overlander Kit to success.
Drive what you got, the way you have it set up at this exact minute, for one year. Purchase a note pad and a pencil to be left in your rig at all times. Make three lists in three different parts of the note book. List 1: List the equipment you already own and take with you on your journeys. List 2: things you need to do to your rig. List 3: Camping gear that will make life better for me on the trail.
For one year write everything down that comes to mind. Keep track of the gear you are using. What would make life easier in the trail? What or where does your vehicle excel at, where and what are it’s weaknesses. Can you overcome those weaknesses with aftermarket parts, can you manufacture your own solutions.
Now that a year has elapsed, take your three lists and compose them into a new note book... this time it’s going to be six sections. The three lists remain the same, with the addition of two sub lists per main list... Wants/Needs... so as you copy the data, put thought into each item and prioritize the spot on the list to its actual importance. Buy 2 needs for every want. By doing this you will soon find out what you actually need, and what you don’t.

My Bronco I towed home to be built as an Overlanding vehicle... I have built quite a few over the years so I had an idea of where to start. After getting the Bronco road worthy I went on a short day trip and learned the stock tires weren’t what I needed, so I quickly drove to the tire shop and got tires that would suit my needs. Every one told me to go with 35’s and 4” of lift at minimum. I stayed stock and went with 32’s. Because that is what my driving style needs. The next trip out my alternator when out... so I upgraded it from a 35 amp to 95 amp because I knew I was going to be adding lights and coms gear down the road. Well since I got the alternator I went ahead and bought my roof lights. (Tires=need1, Alternator=need2, Lights=want1... see the pattern?) next trip out my fan belt broke due to a failed smog pump. The Power Steering Pump was whining as well, so I got an upgraded PS Pump along with a smaller belt to bypass the smog pump. I upgraded the PS Pump because I have a hydraulic winch from my last build that will go into the Bronco in a couple of weeks. But I bought the pump early because I was looking ahead at other projects I was going to undertake in the future.
The seats sucked... they were uncomfortable and the adjusting slides were worn out. I found a set of seat out of a 2004 F-250 that looked nice along with a center console for cheaper than a single adjustment rail for the original seats. The steering column also had some issues and tearing into it I found the main housing to be beyond repair, so I ordered a new steering column out of a newer F-250. All of this lead to me wanting a new stereo and coms gear so I built an overhead console to house my radio and CB while I mounted my 2 meter radio to the front of my center console as a temporary position.
Finally my automatic transmission won’t stay adjusted, I can’t maintain overdrive at highway speeds. I prefer a manual transmission any ways so I just picked up my 5 speed for the conversion later this week (I Hope).
Some where last winter while building the overhead console, I built my roof rack because I knew I needed more storage for when my kids come with me.
All of this has taken me a little over a year to complete and once I have the transmission swap done I only have my lockers to think about... so far they have been a want and not a need.

I hope my rambling makes sense... my point in all of this is drive what you got... what works for me won’t work for you. And vice versa... leave the gear envy at the door. That’s for those elite guys on that other forum. Get what works for you. Ask questions on here... just don’t ask “Do I need this?” Or “Should I get that?” Because if you have to ask those types of questions you are actually falling victim to the gear envy...Now asking “Is Item A better than Item B?” Or “What is the point of item A?” That’s a different story.
 

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Yes @reaver your headlights do indeed need improvement...

To the OP. Overlanding needs break down real simple... “Overlanding is: "Vehicle Dependent Travel". Nothing else.1st Overlanding principal

The only neededs in Overlanding is a reliable means of transportation and your imagination. That is it. Nothing else; noting more required.

Some people spend lots of money on their tires, lift kits, armor, and recovery accessories. While others dump all their savings into the ultimate camp kitchen. Then other say you have to have an RTT or an off-road adventure trailer.

Im hear to tell you that a 1989 Full Sized Bronco is a great Overland rig, so was my Ford Escort. I used to have a huge tent, elaborate camp kitchen, 2 tons of body armor on a lifted Dodge Ram. It looked syck, and I was always the envy in camp. But I was also the last one to leave camp.
Since getting the Bronco I downsized my kitchen from a pull out chick box with 25 gallons of water and hot water in demand to a simple Cast Iron skillet, Dutch Oven and a sleeping roll for the warm summer nights and a T4 Plus for those chilly and wet camps of early spring and late fall. My Bronco has added lights and a roof rack to help me carry my T4 and light my path at night. I now only carry 12 gallons of fresh drinking water that I heat up in my old beat up percolator. Fuel is still carried as needed in old army hand me down fuel cans, and only carried when I know I’m going to be venturing far from civilization (like elk camp).

The fallowing is the rookie Overlander Kit to success.
Drive what you got, the way you have it set up at this exact minute, for one year. Purchase a note pad and a pencil to be left in your rig at all times. Make three lists in three different parts of the note book. List 1: List the equipment you already own and take with you on your journeys. List 2: things you need to do to your rig. List 3: Camping gear that will make life better for me on the trail.
For one year write everything down that comes to mind. Keep track of the gear you are using. What would make life easier in the trail? What or where does your vehicle excel at, where and what are it’s weaknesses. Can you overcome those weaknesses with aftermarket parts, can you manufacture your own solutions.
Now that a year has elapsed, take your three lists and compose them into a new note book... this time it’s going to be six sections. The three lists remain the same, with the addition of two sub lists per main list... Wants/Needs... so as you copy the data, put thought into each item and prioritize the spot on the list to its actual importance. Buy 2 needs for every want. By doing this you will soon find out what you actually need, and what you don’t.

My Bronco I towed home to be built as an Overlanding vehicle... I have built quite a few over the years so I had an idea of where to start. After getting the Bronco road worthy I went on a short day trip and learned the stock tires weren’t what I needed, so I quickly drove to the tire shop and got tires that would suit my needs. Every one told me to go with 35’s and 4” of lift at minimum. I stayed stock and went with 32’s. Because that is what my driving style needs. The next trip out my alternator when out... so I upgraded it from a 35 amp to 95 amp because I knew I was going to be adding lights and coms gear down the road. Well since I got the alternator I went ahead and bought my roof lights. (Tires=need1, Alternator=need2, Lights=want1... see the pattern?) next trip out my fan belt broke due to a failed smog pump. The Power Steering Pump was whining as well, so I got an upgraded PS Pump along with a smaller belt to bypass the smog pump. I upgraded the PS Pump because I have a hydraulic winch from my last build that will go into the Bronco in a couple of weeks. But I bought the pump early because I was looking ahead at other projects I was going to undertake in the future.
The seats sucked... they were uncomfortable and the adjusting slides were worn out. I found a set of seat out of a 2004 F-250 that looked nice along with a center console for cheaper than a single adjustment rail for the original seats. The steering column also had some issues and tearing into it I found the main housing to be beyond repair, so I ordered a new steering column out of a newer F-250. All of this lead to me wanting a new stereo and coms gear so I built an overhead console to house my radio and CB while I mounted my 2 meter radio to the front of my center console as a temporary position.
Finally my automatic transmission won’t stay adjusted, I can’t maintain overdrive at highway speeds. I prefer a manual transmission any ways so I just picked up my 5 speed for the conversion later this week (I Hope).
Some where last winter while building the overhead console, I built my roof rack because I knew I needed more storage for when my kids come with me.
All of this has taken me a little over a year to complete and once I have the transmission swap done I only have my lockers to think about... so far they have been a want and not a need.

I hope my rambling makes sense... my point in all of this is drive what you got... what works for me won’t work for you. And vice versa... leave the gear envy at the door. That’s for those elite guys on that other forum. Get what works for you. Ask questions on here... just don’t ask “Do I need this?” Or “Should I get that?” Because if you have to ask those types of questions you are actually falling victim to the gear envy...Now asking “Is Item A better than Item B?” Or “What is the point of item A?” That’s a different story.
Thanks for the words of wisdom. I have been using my truck as is for camping and long dustance travelling with no problems for 13 years. The only change now is the need for more comfortable sleeping. Just over-researching the best way to accomplish that. There has been issues with ground clearance but so rarely I’m not spending money on it. No communications yet, no power to the bed of the truck yet.
 
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